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Mara Jade


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Lurkz
02.22.2012 , 06:28 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by mefit View Post
I am starting to think StarWar Hardcore fans are nutz .

Mara died because it was the best way to hurt Luke by his own nephew ! Characters die and so do real people , life goes on ! Happen StarWars is not much like DC or Marvel or everyone who died would eventually rise again .

Eventually Luke will die , be happy that hasn't happen yet or the Luke fans would go into a rampage destroying their parents house from the basements !

I think the writer sumed it up the best I have seen , some fans are crazy and act like the own the place . Normally I would aggree that Fans Pay the Bills but then no loved character would ever die or lose in a fight and nothing is good about that .
1) Grammar and punctuation are your friend.

2) Mostly we're just saying that she died in a stupid way that did not do justice to the character or to the author that created her and turned her into the character people love.

3) If you think this conversation is stupid... why are you here other than to troll us?

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Ny-Don
02.22.2012 , 06:36 PM | #32
For the record, it wouldn't have been KT's decision to kill Mara. That would have come from the publishers. Same with Chewie and Anakin (why do you think they got Bob (Salvatore) to right Chewie's death tho he hasn't done a SW book before or since). The manner in which Mara died is all on KT. Certainly Zahn should have been consulted. He is, after all, the guy who's largely responsible for there being an EU. He deserves some respect. And his Mara wouldn't have lost that duel. Or faced him alone in the first place if she thought she might lose.

I don't like this move in the EU to write 9 book series with 3 or 4 different authors. What happened to the days of giving the good authors a 3 book series all to themselves, it just made for a more cohesive story. Plus I'm a little unimpressed with the work of some of these new 'serial' authors who just don't know the subject matter and can't be bothered to do the research to get their facts straight.

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jarjarloves
02.22.2012 , 06:37 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Lurkz View Post
I actually got to talk to RA Salvatore during a book signing once about Chewie's death. He said he tried to get them to not make him do it but Lucas Arts insisted. Anakin at least got a -good- death, I was just more upset that right when he was becoming a ****** he died. But at least it was in a ****** way.

As for Mara, so many of the EU writers butchered her character whenever they tried to incorporate her. It got better later, NJO and such but then we hit Legacy and it went downhill again.

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that's interesting because it seems Lucas Arts had no idea

SS (Shelly Shapiro, Editorial director, Del Ray Books):
We didnít get Georgeís permission to kill Chewie in particular: Chewie was simply not one of the characters George said we could not kill.

Perhaps R A Salvatorie didn't know it was Del Ray books not Lucas Arts pushing for it.

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Aximand
02.22.2012 , 06:55 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by ErikModi View Post
See, I liked Chewie and Anakin dying in the NJO. It gave the series a much different feel, as mentioned several times in the books, it did away with the plot armor the character had all been walking around with. You can't have great drama if you KNOW that the main characters will always succeed.

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I didn't even have any qualms about how they died. . . my only complaint is that Anakin had been being built up as the new hero of this story, and Lucas decided that, to avoid any confusion between Anakin Skywalker and Anakin Solo, Anakin Solo had to die. It feels like an insult to the audience's intelligence. Then again, given the exhibited intelligence I've seen from some of that audience, maybe Lucas had a point.
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Lurkz
02.22.2012 , 06:59 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by jarjarloves View Post
that's interesting because it seems Lucas Arts had no idea

SS (Shelly Shapiro, Editorial director, Del Ray Books):
We didnít get Georgeís permission to kill Chewie in particular: Chewie was simply not one of the characters George said we could not kill.

Perhaps R A Salvatorie didn't know it was Del Ray books not Lucas Arts pushing for it.
Possible. It's also possible I'm thinking he said Lucas Arts and he said Del Rey. This was back in either '01 or '02 so it's been a while. I just distinctly remembering him saying he didn't want to do it and got basically told "Yes, you will, you signed the contract, you're killing Chewie."

As for KT having to kill Mara, yeah, she probably got told she had to kill Mara. Or was given a limited list of people and told one of them had to die. But srsly... was a terrible death and completely out of character.

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Aximand
02.22.2012 , 07:02 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by mefit View Post
I am starting to think StarWar Hardcore fans are nutz .

Mara died because it was the best way to hurt Luke by his own nephew ! Characters die and so do real people , life goes on ! Happen StarWars is not much like DC or Marvel or everyone who died would eventually rise again .

Eventually Luke will die , be happy that hasn't happen yet or the Luke fans would go into a rampage destroying their parents house from the basements !

I think the writer sumed it up the best I have seen , some fans are crazy and act like the own the place . Normally I would aggree that Fans Pay the Bills but then no loved character would ever die or lose in a fight and nothing is good about that .
Er, no. Mara was killed by Jacen because, for some reason, he had to make a "Sacrifice" (hence the name of the novel (and it wasn't his wife why?)). Which Karen Traviss then completely made a moot point by having Jacen try to rationalize away Mara's death as self defense.

Also there's the whole thing about her saying she killed Mara because she was a "pathetic Jedi" (Karen's own words, can't get the post anymore because she deleted it).
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Lurkz
02.22.2012 , 07:03 PM | #37
If Mara was a "pathetic Jedi"... then what the heck's a good one?!?! Oh wait... this is Karen Traviss... there ARE no "good Jedi."

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Aximand
02.22.2012 , 07:06 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Lurkz View Post
If Mara was a "pathetic Jedi"... then what the heck's a good one?!?! Oh wait... this is Karen Traviss... there ARE no "good Jedi."
Basically. When it comes right down to it, Traviss was an "author" (I use that term very loosely) that came into the Star Wars universe not as a fan, but as someone that wanted to change it to something that they approved of. She had never read another Star Wars novel other than her own (a fact she was proud of), she forced characters to be very OOC in order for them to fit more into her story (Luke thinking in Mado'a for some reason), and to top it all off, she didn't even pay attention to what she herself wrote. Her LotF books are completely full of contradictions of themselves, sometimes one page over!

Honestly, I just want everything she wrote to be retconned into oblivion.
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Lurkz
02.22.2012 , 07:09 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Aximand View Post
Basically. When it comes right down to it, Traviss was an "author" (I use that term very loosely) that came into the Star Wars universe not as a fan, but as someone that wanted to change it to something that they approved of. She had never read another Star Wars novel other than her own (a fact she was proud of), she forced characters to be very OOC in order for them to fit more into her story (Luke thinking in Mado'a for some reason), and to top it all off, she didn't even pay attention to what she herself wrote. Her LotF books are completely full of contradictions of themselves, sometimes on page over!

Honestly, I just want everything she wrote to be retconned into oblivion.
I could get behind that. I read the Republic Commando books and her LotF books. I think I -own- her others, but never actually read them. May not even own them.

So much of the EU is really awesome. And then there's authors like Traviss who just butcher it to suit their own ends. Their own ends usually also being really really bad even IF everyone had been in character. *coughCrystalStarcough*

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Aximand
02.22.2012 , 07:10 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Lurkz View Post
I could get behind that. I read the Republic Commando books and her LotF books. I think I -own- her others, but never actually read them. May not even own them.

So much of the EU is really awesome. And then there's authors like Traviss who just butcher it to suit their own ends. Their own ends usually also being really really bad even IF everyone had been in character. *coughCrystalStarcough*
Lol. Oh Crystal Star, how you shall forever live on in Star Wars infamy.
I'm not mean, you're just a sissy.
The Orange Pixel is the REAL Sith Emperor
I don't need luck, I've got ammo - Urdnot Grunt
Remember 4/22/2011. A day that shall live in infamy.