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This game is TWO MONTHS old.

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JansanRuno
02.22.2012 , 11:50 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
You must not have been around when the thousands of other threads on this topic made it to 30-40 pages...

I'll sum it up for you: While the game may be new and while other titles may have the benefit of years of development, TOR has to compete with games that are out and playable today regardless of when their competition launched.

Why?

Because their competition offers me more for the same price. TOR cannot afford to hide behind "two months old" when other games give you more.

The onus is on the team to deliver a game worth the monthly subscription, and I think where people find fault with TOR is that it doesn't compete well. So people move on to those games and leave TOR behind--which is not what anyone wants.

Except that Blizzard has had around 4 billion dollars of player subscriptions to pay for the extra development of everything from their launch to today.

Our subscriptions now are paying for the additions to this game.

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Shivetya
02.22.2012 , 11:50 AM | #62
Oh goodie, same stupid excuse. Really dude try better. I don't care if a thousand people jump off a bridge, it still doesn't make it good. I don't care how other game's launched, it still does not excuse the tripe we put up from this development team; well calling them that is being generous to say the least - mroe like hacks.

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Blotter
02.22.2012 , 11:51 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by ihyln View Post
Sorry but AAA MMOs don't use horrible game engines like the Hero engine.
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Telendria
02.22.2012 , 11:51 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Citywok View Post
I don't know what WOW launch you're about because WOW certainly had significantly less features at launch than SWTOR. WOW didn't even have battlegrounds. There were maybe two raids and even less flashpoints/instances. WOW at launch was extremely boring compared to SWTOR.
I'm not saying WoW had more features than SWTOR, because it didn't, and yes, it was quite boring game at the time, I played it and only reason I stayed with it at the time was amazing guild and fun we had together.

That doesn't change the fact, that SWTOR is missing some features even old game like WoW had it in its infancy - combatlog, chat bubbles, other stuff, you know, that sort of thing.

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Citywok
02.22.2012 , 11:53 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Shivetya View Post
Oh goodie, same stupid excuse. Really dude try better. I don't care if a thousand people jump off a bridge, it still doesn't make it good. I don't care how other game's launched, it still does not excuse the tripe we put up from this development team; well calling them that is being generous to say the least - mroe like hacks.
So you don't care about reality lol? The reality is that you can't expect this game to have 3 expansions worth of content at launch. It is how EVERY SINGLE MMO is launched. Is this your first MMO son?

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Aedales
02.22.2012 , 11:54 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Citywok View Post
So you don't care about reality lol? The reality is that you can't expect this game to have 3 expansions worth of content at launch. It is how EVERY SINGLE MMO is launched. Is this your first MMO son?
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Setanian
02.22.2012 , 11:54 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Citywok View Post
Please show me what MMOs have come out recently that have had as smooth a launch as SWTOR. I'm going to laugh when these "AAA MMOs" disappoint you because launch isn't as perfect as you expect it to be. lol GuildWars or Tera or whatever games you are talking about will pale in comparison to SWTOR and the numbers will show it.
You cannot judge the game by the number of box sales or subscriptions. You judge it by the profit it makes.

Now, $300m to make we're told.

2 million box sales @avg $50 = 100,000,000. Now give away the royalties which was mentioned somewhere @30% leaves circa 66m.

Now, take the subscriptions, say $15 and pay the 30% royalty = $10 profit per sub x we'll say 1.5m subs = 15m pm, then take away overheads, salaries etc. Don't forget to pay the investors..

How many months to go into profit? Assuming the sub base stay at 1.5m which I doubt, it ever will.

Rudementary figures assumed.

Given those figures, they cannot break even after year 1. Bear in mind, within the first year, you have GW2 coming out and Tera launching in April. Regardless of how you feel about those games, they are going to whittle the sub-base down. Now add in that Diablo3 will most likely launch this year and that alone is going take huge bite in tot he sub base.

If anything there is unrealistic, please let me know.
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Citywok
02.22.2012 , 11:55 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Telendria View Post
I'm not saying WoW had more features than SWTOR, because it didn't, and yes, it was quite boring game at the time, I played it and only reason I stayed with it at the time was amazing guild and fun we had together.

That doesn't change the fact, that SWTOR is missing some features even old game like WoW had it in its infancy - combatlog, chat bubbles, other stuff, you know, that sort of thing.
So what it doesn't have a combat log. I'm sure it will come if they see a need for it. SWTOR isn't going to have every single feature WOW has and I'm glad. I actually like not being overly concerned with putting out the exact right amount of DPS in a group as long as we get the job done.

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Setanian
02.22.2012 , 11:56 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Aedales View Post
No use arguing with children. Let them go play Kung Fu Pokewow and leave the real gaming to the rest of us :P
I'm sorry... In your pro-gamer opinion, Sw:ToR is 'real' gaming? Can I have some of whatever you're smoking?
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dweber
02.22.2012 , 11:56 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Citywok View Post
Honestly I think a lot of these people are just bored with MMOs in general and expected this to be a drastically different game changer at launch.
I fully agree with that comment right there. I think that other game has made things just horrible for anyone else trying to break into the MMO market. Then add into it all the games that had promise and had promised a great game just to get turned into FtP. Plus a lot of games run the fantasy / super hero gamut over and over to death.

This game had some big shoes to fill as well seeing as it was NOT the first Star Wars MMO. A lot of people were bitter at the end of SWG.

But the game is only 2 months old and getting better all the time. Except for the stupid environment NPC's who dialog is louder than hell and does not go away till it ends. That is my only complaint.
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