This game is TWO MONTHS old.

It's perfectly valid. But let's use video games. Heck, let's use BioWare video games.

Mass Effect 3 is about to come out... I downloaded the demo and it's awesome. Interestingly, it has learned many things from Mass Effect 1 and 2. It doesn't start with a blank slate for a shooter RPG, it starts with the expected set of features, and ADDS to them.

It's unacceptable to pay your money for anything and not expect it to be an improvement over it's competitors... in every other case, that's WHY you would buy one product over another.





This "get out of jail free card" isn't valid.

Bugs in software used to be a very, very rare thing. Especially before the internet. It all seemed to start when Netscape would release a "beta" of their browser, knowing they could patch it at any time.

Back when software truly had to "ship", it was virtually and necessarily bug free. There weren't constant updates, if any, ever for the product. There wasn't an efficient way to distribute them.

This kind of product testing needs to come back and we as consumers should demand it - including from MMO developers.

Also, there are business-critical software applications that CANNOT fail and cannot be buggy for military, medical, financial and other areas... I would argue that an MMO IS business critical for it's developer and publisher, as if it isn't generating revenue, it's quote critical to the business model.




Remains to be seen, but one thing is perfectly clear: they are starting with a COMPLETE feature set. Guild mechanics, achievements, mobile/external integration, etc. In addition, they are innovating with NEW things - overflow servers, World V World PvP, etc.



You're not very good at searching. The $300 mil number wasn't specifically debunked, but shrugged aside by John Ricitiello.. however, recent estimates from reliable sources and analysts seem to agree that $200 million is about right.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/...tic-gamble/#/0



No it doesn't. Don't confuse features with content. RIFT was much more feature complete.



Which means it should be two months better than the competition, but it's still catching up. Remember, the competitors aren't sitting still either. While TOR waits for "server transfers" GW2 is intodducing overflow servers (instant transfers, essentially) to eliminate queues.

Anyway... many players aren't willing to raise a second child. Not willing to wait for it to "grow up". We just did all of this to our first and maybe even second child, and now to have to do the same thing for a third? Time to put it up for adoption.

It's quite simple really, if you want more content, leave and come back in a year or two. No one's forcing you to stay. I'm staying and paying my $15 a month because I'm excited to A. See this game grow over time, and B. Be a part of that growth process. If you didn't want bugs, you shouldn't have bought the game at launch, that's plain common sense.

Unfortunately, I know that a large number of people went out and bought Windows Vista on it's first day, expecting it to be a perfect improvement upon Windows XP. "Common" Sense is poorly named if you ask me.

I wish ppl would stop comparing mmo's that are already out for several off years with mmo's that are just releashed ...

Actually, if you look at the estimates from Michael Pachter which are around 80 million, and you remember back to the EA Earnings Call which stated how many subscriptions they would need in order to make a profit off of their game, 70-80 million is more accurate.

You say these 200 million seem accurate and are reliable, but they don't fit.

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It's quite simple really, if you want more content, leave and come back in a year or two. No one's forcing you to stay. I'm staying and paying my $15 a month because I'm excited to A. See this game grow over time, and B. Be a part of that growth process. If you didn't want bugs, you shouldn't have bought the game at launch, that's plain common sense.

Unfortunately, I know that a large number of people went out and bought Windows Vista on it's first day, expecting it to be a perfect improvement upon Windows XP. "Common" Sense is poorly named if you ask me.

Which is what astounds me, because SW:TOR said nothing about bringing revolutionary change to the MMO World.

Still running XP here.

I'll leave once something better comes along. I may already be bored with TOR but at least its something to do for the one or two hours I get to game after the kids and wife go to sleep.

Well considering how many more people BioWare had working on TOR, how much more time BioWare spent building on TOR, and how much more money BioWare spent making TOR... One could say that we shouldn't be comparing TOR to the "launch state" of other mmo's either.

It's unacceptable to pay your money for anything and not expect it to be an improvement over it's competitors... in every other case, that's WHY you would buy one product over another.

You're ignoring the premise of the post. Launch is a difficult time for every MMO. The bugs and other post-launch issues have to be fixed before new content can be added. This happens with every MMO. You cannot reasonably expect a brand new MMO to have as much content and development as a game that has been out for 7 years and is the most widely played MMO ever. Go play that game, good riddance, I sure as hell won't miss you.