This game is TWO MONTHS old.

I'll say it again. My original post is quoted on page 45 with a really poor response.

If you want to compare games. Compare kings. Look at history.

Compare EQ to WoW. EQ was king until WoW. Now WoW is king. Do you think WoW would be as successful if it copied EQ and didn't add any new features on launch? No. EQ had plenty of time to evolve from 1999-2004, but it didn't. It started losing subscribers after Shadows of Luclin because a lot of people didn't like the direction the game was going. WoW on the other hand evolved (even between expansions in major content updates) and gained subscribers with the changes they made. Nobody compared Vanilla WoW to 1999 EverQuest because WoW was it's own game! The only common ground between the two was that they are in the same genre.

What did WoW do right? They listened. Even going as far as employing some top EQ players. WoW took what they wanted from EQ (very little, and completely transparent to the majority of players), and added their own features. It didn't matter that they literally had servers MELT (yes I vaguely recall a server melting) on launch because of the sheer number of subscribers. People were foaming at the mouth to play. It was new, exciting, and groundbreaking. Some of the bigger differences being the questing system, instanced raids, lenient death penalty, and solo content. EQ, on the other hand, just plopped you down after character creation to figure things out on your own. There was no hand holding. Solo content? ha. 90% of the classes couldn't solo a mob their own level let alone a mob 3-4 levels higher. Death penalty... ask any EQ player, they all have a CR (corpse run) horror story. Have you seen my corpse? (search that on youtube). Combat system? lol

So, now you have people comparing SWTOR to WoW. Why? You can't help comparing SWTOR to WoW because it is a WoW CLONE. Seriously, if you want to argue that SWTOR is not a WoW clone then sit down and make your own list of the SIMILARITES and DIFFERENCES between SWTOR and WOW. Your list of similarities is going to be exponentially larger than any differences. Don't cite any difference in IP because that is irrelevant. Lightsabers vs Swords doesn't count.

I think people are disappointed because they wanted something new and SWTOR didn't deliver. Many of the people complaining bought this game, but didn't follow it like the fanbois did for 4+ years. They didn't read every update and pour over ever new nugget of information. So any counter-argument of "they didn't promise anything new" is stupid. Does anyone honestly think they would see a big message on SWTOR.COM that says "Star Wars MMO. Nothing new here!". With an MMO launching in 2011, it's expected to have new features!

Plain and simple, SWTOR is WoW all over again with less features.

I STOPPED USING IT ON NAR SHADDA BECAUSE IT DIDN'T WORK ON BALMORRA OR DROMUND KAAS, AND IT SURE AS HELL DOESN'T WORK ON THE FLEET.

And if we only had a cross-server LFG tool, I wouldn't have to camp on the fleet and spam, I could go to various worlds and do stuff I want to do.

So I say, let's get one that works

And unfortunately the "innovative" crafting system is total **** for us dedicated crafters.

And my point is you could do exactly that without an automated lfg tool, if people would just use the one they already have in game.

If you don't want a WoW-style LFG tool, then great. Use the one you've got while I get the choice to use a WoW-style one. Then you look for groups on an outdated tool while I get my runs in.

People aren't going to use it because at best, and assuming everyone uses it, it's an extremely inefficient system. You have to cycle through lists to find the instance you want, then whisper them, then run to wherever you're gathering. Oh, you're dps and not healer? You should have mentioned that in your hastily written LFG comment. Back to the lists.

With a real LFG tool, you queue just like PVP and just focus on what you want to do until the players are found. It's so, so superior that there is no point in having the cumbersome outdated one even if people actually used it.

If you don't want a WoW-style LFG tool, then great. Use the one you've got while I get the choice to use a WoW-style one. Then you look for groups on an outdated tool while I get my runs in.

Now I do recall WoW being called an EQ clone. Though it didn't last too long because WoW was almost unbelievably more successful. Much of WoW was heavily influenced by EQ but Blizzard's true genius, or incredibly lucky shot, was to make WoW much more accessible than EQ. Of course WoW was also launched as spreading internet access, improving speeds, and social gaming, was starting to build momentum. So WoW's success was due to more than being a good game. It was also the right game at the right time.

To me it appears that BioWare tried to trump Blizzard by making TOR even more accessible. The problem, in my opinion, is that they went too far. TOR feels much shallower, and much much easier, than WoW. You can reach endgame in a few weeks, or less, and face what most new mmorpgs have. As in pretty limited endgame content. BioWare also seems to have put so much effort into "story" that it hobbled development on the rest of the game.

Seriously, 800 people, 6 years, 200 million dollars, and UI customization is almost laughable? No LFG tool or faction wide channels? Space Combat is, at best, a mini-game? Even progression is almost painfully linear? BioWare had the time, treasure, and talent, to do better. They just had different priorities. Given their previous games it doesn't really come as a surprise but you would think that all the mmorpg developer vets they hired would have spoken up about what TOR was lacking.

See that would not work, they want to deny us from such a tool, throwing tantrums and useing the "LFG tool will kill the community" card, not being able to back it up with some facts.

Just glad that BW has got to its senses, at least with this, now lets see how long we have to wait...

I do use the "outdated tool", every day in fact. And I never have to wait for more than 20-25 minutes to run something. Same time it takes in WoW with their automatic one.

See that would not work, they want to deny us from such a tool, throwing tantrums and useing the "LFG tool will kill the community" card, not being able to back it up with some facts.

Just glad that BW has got to its senses, at least with this, now lets see how long we have to wait...