This game is TWO MONTHS old.

This thread is older than two months. It needs to go away.

I'll say it again. My original post is quoted on page 45 with a really poor response.

If you want to compare games. Compare kings. Look at history.

Compare EQ to WoW. EQ was king until WoW. Now WoW is king. Do you think WoW would be as successful if it copied EQ and didn't add any new features on launch? No. EQ had plenty of time to evolve from 1999-2004, but it didn't. It started losing subscribers after Shadows of Luclin because a lot of people didn't like the direction the game was going. WoW on the other hand evolved (even between expansions in major content updates) and gained subscribers with the changes they made. Nobody compared Vanilla WoW to 1999 EverQuest because WoW was it's own game! The only common ground between the two was that they are in the same genre.

What did WoW do right? They listened. Even going as far as employing some top EQ players. WoW took what they wanted from EQ (very little, and completely transparent to the majority of players), and added their own features. It didn't matter that they literally had servers MELT (yes I vaguely recall a server melting) on launch because of the sheer number of subscribers. People were foaming at the mouth to play. It was new, exciting, and groundbreaking. Some of the bigger differences being the questing system, instanced raids, lenient death penalty, and solo content. EQ, on the other hand, just plopped you down after character creation to figure things out on your own. There was no hand holding. Solo content? ha. 90% of the classes couldn't solo a mob their own level let alone a mob 3-4 levels higher. Death penalty... ask any EQ player, they all have a CR (corpse run) horror story. Have you seen my corpse? (search that on youtube). Combat system? lol

So, now you have people comparing SWTOR to WoW. Why? You can't help comparing SWTOR to WoW because it is a WoW CLONE. Seriously, if you want to argue that SWTOR is not a WoW clone then sit down and make your own list of the SIMILARITES and DIFFERENCES between SWTOR and WOW. Your list of similarities is going to be exponentially larger than any differences. Don't cite any difference in IP because that is irrelevant. Lightsabers vs Swords doesn't count.

I think people are disappointed because they wanted something new and SWTOR didn't deliver. Many of the people complaining bought this game, but didn't follow it like the fanbois did for 4+ years. They didn't read every update and pour over ever new nugget of information. So any counter-argument of "they didn't promise anything new" is stupid. Does anyone honestly think they would see a big message on SWTOR.COM that says "Star Wars MMO. Nothing new here!". With an MMO launching in 2011, it's expected to have new features!

Plain and simple, SWTOR is WoW all over again with less features.

the words of a wise man

Rift is doing well with some solid updates to it. AoC is dead due to it's Dev's never hearing the player base out on anything, oh and AoC is already free to play and one of the most pricey F2P games out. Social Clothing for $10 dollars anyone? DCUO had a bad launch and it was SOE. LOTRO went F2P due to the subs dropping as it was one of the few games that did alright but still needed work.

This? It's lucky if it will go F2P. Subs are dropping every week, players are uphappy, 1.2 isn't going to fix anything.

So its ok for people to tell me to go play WoW, but not ok for me to tell people to go play Hello Kitty Adventure Island?

K, just making sure.

Do not fool yourselves.

while Swtor sets the standard in terms of how to make an mmo interesting to lvl, it fails 100% in every other avenue.

This game is basically the worst 'mmo' u will ever play.

The premise of an mmo is to bring a 'community' of people together.

But this game endevours to segregate people at every oppurtunity.

Evrything is instanced. Fleet/ Ship/ Every single planet/ Even zones within planets/ Zero world wide chat...i could go on...

Moving on....graphics! "2012 graphics?...really???

well lets go along with the mantra of 'getting people on low-end spec pc's to be able to play'

Dont fool yourselves...there is nothing games companies can release that my pc cannot handle 'effortlessly'...but swtor makes my pc's fan scream. Really?..with those graphics??

haha...this game is the biggest scam i have ever seen.

Absolutely showing me how people are such sheep, plus how laughable all these so called 'reviews' are from these big companies.

If you listen to any strangers advice in your life people, listen to this....cancel your sub immediately..THIS IS A RIPP-OFF.

I would support the game if BW simply fixed the FPS issues in WZs and Ilum. But, the silence is deafening... I'm hoping BW responds in tomorrow's blog.

What a crock. there is nothing separating people. there is nothing preventing people from grouping together. People just have gotten use to automated grouping systems and are too lazy or socially awkward to talk to one another

I agree with certain points. SWTOR is only innovative in terms of being fully voiced over. Nothing design wise is innovative. The graphics and engine look dated compared to MMOs that cost 1/4 of BW's budget....

1. SWTOR (HEROengine)
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/6966/worldfps3.jpg

2. DCUO (Unreal Engine)
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3892/dcuoworld1.jpg

I love Star Wars games + I love playing online with/against other people + I look for a large population of players = I play SWG.

SWG updates/revamps + population drops off = Stop playing SWG

I love playing online with/against other people + I look for a large population of players = I play WoW.

I love Star Wars games and learn of the making of SWTOR = I stop playing WoW as it loses its appeal to me, and I begin to wait anxiously/patiently for SWTOR release, socialising on official and unofficial forums.

SWTOR is released.

Bugs, issues, latency...

Every game has positives and negatives, I accept them. SWTOR will continue to evolve, as will any other MMO or standalone game series.

I love Star Wars games + I love playing online with/against other people + I look for a large population of players = I play SWTOR.