This game is TWO MONTHS old.

I'm very glad I'm not the only person who feels some of the detractors for this game need to calm down.

I love the game. I'm having a great time. What the game offers that WoW does not is totally worth while for me.

I am eagerly awaiting new content like the legacy system, but I can wait. The game got release early in classic EA style, and I don't expect it to get finished NOW.

I haven't played WoW since the Burning Crusade expansion, but I feel the Ops argument just doesn't hold the weight he/she thinks it should. I don't compare this game to WoW, nor will I ever. I also don't compare it to the other MMO's I've played. However, and most importantly, I will point out that there is just no excuse anymore to have the issues this game does at a release in this day and age of gaming, especially MMO gaming. In my eyes, the age of this product is meaningless since the issues this game has should have been fixed in BETA and not fixed after RELEASE. It seems all of the failed MMO's of the last few years have all made this same mistake and there is a reason why they failed. The reason I take that stance is for the following reasons...

WoW came out at just the right time, it was a success mostly by when it was released and had a good couple years with really no competition on the same scale compared to what they brought to the table. People can point to the other MMO's that were out then, but honestly they were getting older when WoW came out. Anyway, WoW's release was one of the worst releases I've ever been a part of from all the lag for the first few weeks to queues and everything else in between. What they had though was the luxury of not worrying about their customer base going elsewhere like the current MMO's of the last few years have had to contend with and as a result their subsequent failures that WoW didn't have to worry about.

Case in point, Warhammer Online. This game had the chance more than any other MMO released since WoW to dethrone it simply because of how far reaching the genre was/is, but the release in WAR was such a cluster that they lost their playerbase in the first 30-60 days never to return. Did the game get fixed and turn out to be pretty good? Yes, it did, but it was just too late by then. Why? Because in 2008-09 there were so many other choices in MMO's and gaming in general that they just couldn't get the playerbase back as WoW never had to worry about in 2004.

The fact that the Bioware team didn't learn from the countless MMO failures over the last 7-8 years is rather mind boggling, especially when you had Bioware take over Warhammer, you would think they would have used that model to learn from it. With that being the case, you would have thought Bioware would have pulled the great things WAR had, especially the customizable UI, which was the best UI system I've seen in an MMO without having to use addons. The immunity timers for CC in PvP, how they reverted to the trash resolve system in SWTOR and not use WAR's immunity timers is a sad thought. I could go on an on, but I digress. To me, there just is no excuse anymore to release an unfinished product of this magnitude. It would be fine if it were just some bugs the players were dealing with, but when you compound the major issues SWTOR has it just makes me want to shake my head. The UI/GTN are really alpha versions more than release versions. When you take a look at the PvP woes, these are all issues that games over the last few years have all taken a beating on and yet the devs in SWTOR have made the SAME EXACT MISTAKES! How is that even possible is beyond me...

The thing that will hopefully be the only saving grace for this game and buy Bioware some time is the Star Wars Universe which the game takes place in, because quite honestly some of the failed MMO's over the last decade have been much much better than this game and yet still failed. I am still subbed and want this game to succeed, but there just is no excuse to release what they did in this day and age of gaming, ESPECIALLY with the feedback they were given over Beta.

And to compound matters for Bioware, Guild Wars 2 just released a 48hour beta signup, so the clock is most definitely ticking, because it seems GW2 is taking their time with their release to get it right as opposed to rushing and pushing an unfinished game out to the masses. WoW didn't have to compete with this, so they had the time to make their game the success it turned out to be, they had the luxury of a couple years of no real MMO competition or other big games that had the draw to pull away their customer base like the last 5 years have had.

I have no interest in Guild Wars 2.

A secretary walks into a store and needs a solid word processor. She has the choice between....

A) Microsoft Office

B) A new word processor that looks and performs like... WordPerfect 5.1.

A fanbois for the new word processor stops her and says... "You should buy B because it has potential." The secretary replies, "Why should I wait for performance and reliability when I can just buy A?"

I love this because the ammount of times that I drowned at the top of a hill in Vanguard was amazing

That's just evading the question. You're dismissing other peoples complaints about SWtoR because it will get better over time, but you don't say at what point enough time will have passed before those complaints become valid.

You're right, nobody is keeping me here and perhaps in a years time this game will have caught up with games of today. Of course by then a new bunch of MMOs will be available and SWtoR will have to catch up all over again. No this isn't the worst MMO I've every played - DCUO was way worse - but at the same time it's just average and doesn't do anything new. It's the same gear treadmill MMOs have been using for the last decade, the same tank/healer/DPS class setup and the same questing that WoW was using 8 years ago.

Even if you have no interest in other upcoming MMOs that doesn't somehow gloss over all the flaws of this game because you're choosing not to look at other games.

A lame comparison as MS Office has patches almost on a weekly basis.

Discussion with fans is futile ... yet amusing.

Im not dismissing anything... im saying put your money where your mouth is and leave. THe funny part is most people aren't willing to do that, they just "threaten" to move on to another game as if the whole community is going to start crying over their departure. You think the game is sub-par... fine... Im ok with that. Having to read the deadhorse posts everyday im not.

It is what it is, and for the most part, people are happy with the finished product, and that is what grinds your gears... Deal with it or move on.

Who is forcing you, to read this topics again?