This game is TWO MONTHS old.

And I disagree, on two counts.

First, the game nailed it. Its a great and entertaining game so I will not disparage it because I personally feel that although it is great, I want something different.

Second is that it is very different, has some great improvements over past MMORPGs. I think that many people are seeking to play an MMORPG that is really not an MMORPG, but something different. When I've asked, no one has shed any light on what that "different" is. When they do, their expectations are so out of the realm of practical application that it is hard to even respond.


Actually, I'll have to disagree again. As I've stated, I've been there for the launch of many, many of these types of games from UO, to EQ, Ash, Ion, DAoC, Rift and on down the line. This has been the smoothest I've ever witnessed. WoW was a disaster at launch and look how long it held the biggest piece of the pie.

Launches are meaningless in this genre, which is why I argue conjecture so often. Launch is just launch, the impetus is all.

Never going to happen. To do so would make it a totally different game. MMORPGs are never finished. That is the entirety of the genre.


Well, you do realize that the "we consumers" you are speaking of are a very small, very select group of people? This is part of the issue I have with many of the negative posts, the "we" factor where the individual projects his feelings unto the entire genre as to assume that many, rather then very few share their opinion.

These people have done their market research. Their investors have reviewed that. They've targeted their demographic and hit it right on the head. The reviews from the major gaming sources are praising the game, and 1.7 million players are enjoying it for what it is, a MMORPG release with great promise for the long haul.

I'm sorry. I do appreciate your explanation and point of view, I just don't see any evidence to support it, not as it is being blanketed anyway.

Congrats on being a marketing demographic?

Massively told me that Warhammer Online was THE GAME of 2008, too.

Hooray for commercials.

And why would they? People making millions of credits and getting battle master in one day because of broken, untested content Bioware released?

Nope, that's fine. Everything will even itself out eventually.
No instead we are dealing with broken, untested patch nonsense.

I don't even know what this is supposed to mean.

Looks like something random you just threw in there.

Yes, because this is the first MMO to add content in patches? WOW AMAZING!

Let's see if the EXPANSIONS are free. Here's a hint: They won't be.

Yes most of the bugs are annoying.

Especially the ones that crash your client, make you invincible, prevent you from targeting an enemy while the enemy is still attacking you, prevent you from completing content in Operations and small things like opening your inventory dropping your frame rates.

And of course, you would try to label one of the worse ones, ability delay, as important and say it was "fixed". Well, I don't know what class you play and how often but you should know that is a lie and ABILITY DELAY is STILL in full effect in the game.

No comment. Star Wars IP, constant hype, untested patches...

This game is a gimmick for profit.

Period.

Please take a moment to review my opinion, then comment on that rather then attempt to disparage me with these type of ad-hominem attacks.

If you can do so, I am fully willing to hear your argument.

At least wow admitted to have enough issues to do something about it.... my 4-5 tickets about my character being codex bugged... light/darkside bugged and social points bugged has had 0 responses and i posted them over a week ago... Customer service anyone?

Two things, and only two:

I didn't mean to imply that said hypothetical game wouldn't undergo future development, but meant to say that said game would launch in a decidedly "finished" state. Future development would be "icing on the cake," if you will.

Again, I didn't mean "many" to imply a specific number beyond "a lot." Minority of opinion or otherwise, there are "many" who agree.

Just a few bullets comparing this launch to The Other launch, having lived through both.

I'm still a satisfied customer. You obviously are not. We are unlikely to see eye to eye, but I hope the negativity so enthusiastically embraced by yourself does not color your opinions on further entertainment choices you make. Otherwise, I fear you may never be content.

It's funny you mention those sites...

What happened to "Those sites are all payed for and can't be trusted"

According to some people:

When we are talking about SWTOR they are bad sites;

When we are talking about GW2, they are spot on?

Nice logic.

I don't think you are being truthful. RIFT by far was the smoothest launch of any mmo.

Once again, every major source, every reputable source contends very differently. The mass of players still playing do so also.

I do not see anything in your argument that extends beyond conjecture, your personal opinion or interpretation of some known issues. That is all fine, I can respect your own personal feelings, but we have entered into a discussion here where one side is claiming that SW has failed in pretty much every aspect of its intended use.

I, and apparently others that are enjoying the game, are simply asking for proof of this beyond personal opinion, or conjecture.