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ferroz
02.22.2012 , 05:28 PM | #381
Quote: Originally Posted by ExiledinElysium View Post
I implore all people in this thread to realize that this isn't something you can fairly debate about.
Actually, there's some good debate here and there... you just have to get past the folks who think that assertions + insults = facts

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ExiledinElysium
02.22.2012 , 05:28 PM | #382
1) Would you support a restriction on "Need" whereby you can't click it unless you (or your companion, if you want) can equip the item?

2) Would you support an additional loot option specifically for companions, that ranks between Greed and Need?

3) Should I start a separate thread for this?

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Emeda
02.22.2012 , 05:31 PM | #383
Quote: Originally Posted by gentlepie View Post
If you tell your group ahead of time, that is. If you don't, you might ruffle a lot of feathers and get blacklisted by angry players. Play it safe and just communicate if you are needing for yourself AND companions.
They are fixing this by adding a LFG so a blacklist means nothing
If this game is so great then why do so many people that love the game spend all their time in the forums?

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Vecke
02.22.2012 , 05:31 PM | #384
Quote: Originally Posted by ExiledinElysium View Post
1) Would you support a restriction on "Need" whereby you can't click it unless you (or your companion, if you want) can equip the item?

2) Would you support an additional loot option specifically for companions, that ranks between Greed and Need?

3) Should I start a separate thread for this?
A dev posted with an inference (but not a guarantee) that they would work on something that made it so you can only roll need for your main character. He also suggested that a "companion" button might one day work its way into the game.
"I know."

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ferroz
02.22.2012 , 05:35 PM | #385
Quote: Originally Posted by ExiledinElysium View Post
1) Would you support a restriction on "Need" whereby you can't click it unless you (or your companion, if you want) can equip the item?
What about items that aren't equipable? Schematics, exotic crafting materials, mounts and pets, for example?

I don't think it's necessary, but I'm not particularly opposed to it.

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2) Would you support an additional loot option specifically for companions, that ranks between Greed and Need?
I don't see why one person's wants are more important than someone else's, especially for gear that they are both going to use... so no.

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3) Should I start a separate thread for this?
No, it's already part of both of the threads that are currently discussing it. It'd probably be closed in favor of one of the existing threads.

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ferroz
02.22.2012 , 05:38 PM | #386
Quote: Originally Posted by Vecke View Post
Oh, I agree with you completely there. It's not justified to say it's a dirtbag thing to do. I thought you were asking why they think greed is the correct roll. The dirtbag attacking thing is just an over-reaction based on an assumption that one personal opinion is better than another personal opinion.

I'll fall back to the yoda defense on that one. There is no why.
Yeah, I don't think he actually read the stuff he was responding to me and accusing me of dissembling about. He didn't post again after I showed him where he said that...

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universeman
02.22.2012 , 05:49 PM | #387
Guys...where does one draw the line with clicking the NEED button? If you believe clicking NEED for your companion is a reasonable thing to do, then you surely agree it is reasonable that everyone else does it. But, if that ideal became reality, the system would likely devolve into everyone clicking NEED on everything.

I don't know for sure, but I'd say there's a 100% chance it would lol

TOR is obviously different from previous games, in that companions are a part of who you are. But, that doesn't mean you should suddenly be rolling NEED on items just because a companion can wear them (if that were the case, see my comment above about devolution - is that a word? hah). BW has already made a statement that pretty much proves they didn't realize the impact their companion system would have on the way people utilize the NBG system.

Those who are NEEDing on whatever they want are (IMO) taking advantage of the oversight BW had in implementing the system as it is in other games that don't have companions.

I'm seeing that there really isn't an argument to be made. The system isn't working as intended and they plan to implement a change.

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Vecke
02.22.2012 , 05:55 PM | #388
Quote: Originally Posted by universeman View Post
Guys...where does one draw the line with clicking the NEED button? If you believe clicking NEED for your companion is a reasonable thing to do, then you surely agree it is reasonable that everyone else does it. But, if that ideal became reality, the system would likely devolve into everyone clicking NEED on everything.

I don't know for sure, but I'd say there's a 100% chance it would lol

TOR is obviously different from previous games, in that companions are a part of who you are. But, that doesn't mean you should suddenly be rolling NEED on items just because a companion can wear them (if that were the case, see my comment above about devolution - is that a word? hah). BW has already made a statement that pretty much proves they didn't realize the impact their companion system would have on the way people utilize the NBG system.

Those who are NEEDing on whatever they want are (IMO) taking advantage of the oversight BW had in implementing the system as it is in other games that don't have companions.

I'm seeing that there really isn't an argument to be made. The system isn't working as intended and they plan to implement a change.
Just my very humble opinion... loot was better before it started "evolving." I was fine with it in EQ. In EQ2, I liked it better before NBG was implemented.

I personally would prefer that nothing be bound and everything just be a random roll for the loot. If you won, you got it. No chance to ninja, if you won, it went to your inventory, fair and square. Then, if someone else in the group could use the item and you couldn't, they could just ask you for it (or offer to buy it).

I personally never had a problem with this and was rather disappointed when it changed. The NBG system just basically causes all kinds of strife, misunderstandings, occasional griefing, and lots of bickering about how it "should" be.
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ferroz
02.22.2012 , 06:01 PM | #389
Quote: Originally Posted by universeman View Post
Guys...where does one draw the line with clicking the NEED button?
It dpeends on your personal definition of need.

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If you believe clicking NEED for your companion is a reasonable thing to do, then you surely agree it is reasonable that everyone else does it.
Certainly

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But, if that ideal became reality, the system would likely devolve into everyone clicking NEED on everything.
No, that's not true. I'd continue to only need on the things that I need on currently, so there's at least one person that wouldn't be clicking need on everything. I feel confident that several of the people in this thread would do the same.

If you would start clicking need on everything, then you really shouldn't be pointing fingers at people and calling them greedy...

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terminova
02.22.2012 , 06:02 PM | #390
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
My only counter argument here is that most people I've encountered don't need for companions. So, if there's is a consensus out there (with I'm sure could be debated endlessly as well) that says "only need for your PC", then needing for your companion without announcing your intent first kind of gives you an unfair advantage over people playing by the consensus. You'll end up needing for their class items while they're passing on yours out of courtesy.
I guess I have to repeat what I just said so you can actually understand.


I do not restrict what YOU are allowed to roll on. YOU are allowed to roll on anything YOU want in any group I am in. The only person restricting you is yourself.


I am not saying what I base my Need rolls on, I'm just saying I don't expect you to restrict your Need rolls to meet my expectations. What you do is fine as long as the dungeon is cleared.


Unless you have asked every single person you group with their opinion on the matter, and at least 50% of the players, there is no basis for claiming "a consensus exists". The forums account for such a low percentage of the playerbase they aren't even worth considering for a basis for a consensus.
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