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People who ninja for their companions

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Vydor_HC
02.22.2012 , 03:51 PM | #301
Quote: Originally Posted by Darne View Post
Your definition of player is also different too I think. Your companion is part of your "player" for you, if I understand you correctly. I don't think he is. We can sum it up to the gear usage. Most people I don't think run dailies by themselves with their companions at lvl 50. Most people do PvP or HM FPs/OPs dailies. That requires their character. Not their companion. While your companion is off on his diplomacy mission with that full rakata gear you have on him, 5 other players out there are running FPs/OPs minus one of those pieces. It's about gear usage. Human players put it to better use.
I know this is a response to another person, but let me add something. If I'm running with a pug, I have no vested interest in the group after we are done..so the need will be for me and my character first, I'd more likely roll for a companion in that case. If I'm going with a group that I run with regularly, then the need of other players is the same as my own. So, skipping need for the companion would not harm me, since in essence the need is for the group and not for my character.

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Darne
02.22.2012 , 03:51 PM | #302
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian View Post
No it's implying I've seen that happen so many times. Win the gear they need/want and leave the group. But by god if you break their NBG rules you're the bad one.
I could roll need for my companion and leave the group just as well... That player is a bigger jerk than you sir. And there is nothing any set of community etiquette can do to prevent that type of player.

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terminova
02.22.2012 , 03:52 PM | #303
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaskava View Post
It's pretty obvious that you're really just a selfish person, and there's no point even trying to argue with you.

Agree with it, or don't. I'm still going to do what I see fit to people who need for something that wasn't even in the run.
Also known as "I'm going to get revenge on anyone who doesn't follow my loot rules to the letter" OR "Follow my loot rules or else".


Dude, just use Master Looter, that way you can divvy up the loot as you want.

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souloferdrick
02.22.2012 , 03:53 PM | #304
Its the new dialectic for the new mmo...mains vs companions.

Hey BW, if you really wanna fix this in the most amicable way possible, make up to par companion gear available outside of grouping. You guys can work out how to do it and all that but thats the answer if you want to appease both groups as opposed to one or the other.

If you eliminate the need to even think about rolling for group loot for companions, you kill two birds with one stone.

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ferroz
02.22.2012 , 03:54 PM | #305
Quote: Originally Posted by Vecke View Post
Because they think the companion is less important to the game or the group than a PC is.
That still doesn't say why someone "need rolling for a companion without asking if your group minds is a grade A dirtbag thing to do"

Having a different opinion on what is important about a character makes someone a grade A dirtbag? How does that make any sense at all?



Quote: Originally Posted by Darne View Post
Your definition of player is also different too I think. Your companion is part of your "player" for you, if I understand you correctly.
No, the player is the human, sitting behind the keyboard.

The player plays several avatars; all but one of them are labeled as companions.

I mean, I keep pointing out that the "flesh and blood players should get priority" thing doesn't make any sense, because wherever that person puts the loot, it benefits a flesh and blood player...

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Most people I don't think run dailies by themselves with their companions at lvl 50.
I do; I'm currently soloing 2 of the 4 level 50 heroics for mods for a friend who just hit level 50.

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Most people do PvP or HM FPs/OPs dailies.
maybe they do; I'm more than a bit skeptical about "most".

The general statistic I see about MMO's is that the vast majority of people don't hit max level, and the ones who grind out daily hard mode dungeons, pvp, and raids are a subset of those people.

Keep in mind that this discussion is definitely not specific to level 50. In fact, some of the comments seem to clearly indicate that some of the people in the thread haven't hit 50 yet, and they are therefore specifically talking about leveling situations.

even the OP was talking about low levels, I think.

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put it to better use.
Different use perhaps. I wouldn't say better.

Why is it that those people, doing what they want to do is better use of the gear than me doing what I want to do?

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Galbatorrix
02.22.2012 , 03:55 PM | #306
Quote: Originally Posted by terminova View Post
When any semblance of a working LFG tool comes online, you won't have any leg to stand on when posturing that someone else that was randomly grouped with you should do as you say when it comes to loot.

I'm being quite serious.




Bioware is currently working on the NBG system.

Which honestly is the main reason the change stated by the Bioware designer really is called for. Right now, it's a little easier to discuss loot before a run and have everyone agree and stick to it. Once a cross server LFFP system hits, people will need on items they want even if you do discuss it before hand.

Them changing the system to where the need button is only lit if the primary stat matches your class is honestly the best way to go. And honestly, will eventually make this whole argument moot.

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Irusan
02.22.2012 , 03:56 PM | #307
Quote: Originally Posted by Darne View Post
Haha, it's all good. It's always refreshing to find someone that doesn't "L2P" or "QQ more" come backs when trying to talk things out.

I don't get upset if it's greens, or even blues. I know those are a dime a dozen, but those oranges and purples I feel like a human can use better. And I'll answer that below.



Your definition of player is also different too I think. Your companion is part of your "player" for you, if I understand you correctly. I don't think he is. We can sum it up to the gear usage. Most people I don't think run dailies by themselves with their companions at lvl 50. Most people do PvP or HM FPs/OPs dailies. That requires their character. Not their companion. While your companion is off on his diplomacy mission with that full rakata gear you have on him, 5 other players out there are running FPs/OPs minus one of those pieces. It's about gear usage. Human players put it to better use.
I actually do run the dailies on Ilum and Belsavis, usually. I also do not roll need for my companion. Anyone that is that hung up on gearing out their companion can use the daily commendations to do a pretty nice job of this, not to mention one quest actually gives nice orange companion weapons. (Group quest, but can be soloed with a death or two depending on your class) I can't imagine I could do these quests much more efficiently if my companion WAS in full Rakata gear. I think thats more a status symbol thing than something of actual benefit. (My opinion.)

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Darne
02.22.2012 , 03:58 PM | #308
Quote: Originally Posted by Vydor_HC View Post
I know this is a response to another person, but let me add something. If I'm running with a pug, I have no vested interest in the group after we are done..so the need will be for me and my character first, I'd more likely roll for a companion in that case. If I'm going with a group that I run with regularly, then the need of other players is the same as my own. So, skipping need for the companion would not harm me, since in essence the need is for the group and not for my character.
That makes more sense. But why should I discriminate between PUGs and my guildmates? I've actually ran into the same Tank LFG many many times. By allowing him to be better, he can be better for everyone. Why should I be so greedy that I only allow my group to get better knowing it's my permanent group? That guy you need over is in someone else's permanent group.

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terminova
02.22.2012 , 03:58 PM | #309
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
Which honestly is the main reason the change stated by the Bioware designer really is called for. Right now, it's a little easier to discuss loot before a run and have everyone agree and stick to it. Once a cross server LFFP system hits, people will need on items they want even if you do discuss it before hand.

Them changing the system to where the need button is only lit if the primary stat matches your class is honestly the best way to go. And honestly, will eventually make this whole argument moot.
Hopefully the NBG change comes before any automated LFG tool. Blizzard did it the opposite way....and that didn't work out too well.

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ferroz
02.22.2012 , 03:58 PM | #310
Quote: Originally Posted by Irusan View Post
I actually do run the dailies on Ilum and Belsavis, usually. I also do not roll need for my companion. Anyone that is that hung up on gearing out their companion can use the daily commendations to do a pretty nice job of this, not to mention one quest actually gives nice orange companion weapons. (Group quest, but can be soloed with a death or two depending on your class) I can't imagine I could do these quests much more efficiently if my companion WAS in full Rakata gear. I think thats more a status symbol thing than something of actual benefit. (My opinion.)
from gearing my healer companion, I can solo all 3 heroics on belsavis; I'm pretty sure I can solo the ones on illum, but I didn't bother because the tank enhancements are meh.