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People who ninja for their companions

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People who ninja for their companions

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souloferdrick
02.22.2012 , 02:28 PM | #191
Quote: Originally Posted by Datku View Post
Are you guys seriously debating this point? Real player trumps NPC and you try to justify by saying NPC can't roll so it is a real life player... OMG I can see why some people can get upset.
Its real easy to say when you don't feel compelled to back it up with any reasoning beyond "just because". And that's not what hes saying and if you can't grasp it, thats not his fault.

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This whole debate is a /facepalm event for sure. And I guess it also shows who are inconsiderate loot whores.
Then the label applies to both then because they are arguing for the very same thing: The ability to do what they want with the spoils.

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As I said...pull this on me in my group and I will give you a nice fast exit from the instance. I run people through instances to help them gear up but pull this and your out. Justify it to yourself all you want I will have no problem right clicking your group window and selecting remove from group. Bye bye...good luck.
I don't care how you run your groups nor are your personal practices relevant to the discussion.

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ferroz
02.22.2012 , 02:28 PM | #192
Quote: Originally Posted by Zunayson View Post
Since when is a companion as useful to the group as a real player?
Why does it matter?

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Vydor_HC
02.22.2012 , 02:28 PM | #193
Quote: Originally Posted by Zunayson View Post
Okay fine no analogies.

Since when is a companion as useful to the group as a real player?
Some encounters I cannot do without my companion, so they are vital to me.

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Vecke
02.22.2012 , 02:29 PM | #194
Quote: Originally Posted by Zunayson View Post
Okay fine no analogies.

Since when is a companion as useful to the group as a real player?
Sorry, I wasn't picking on you there. I just used your comment as a springboard to show how hip and cool I am.
"I know."

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Setanian
02.22.2012 , 02:29 PM | #195
Quote: Originally Posted by kilosoldier View Post
As server populations mature and the community gets to know one another more, those who think that they are entitled, whether they can technically do it or not, to roll need for companions over player characterts will be ostracized and shunned from the pug communities on a server, and quite possibly within their own guild, and very quickly find themselves on the outside looking in because of their actions.

That stigma will last long after the usefulness of that gear for ones companion.

I suggest the smug people that do this think long and hard about this situation.
Such a thing can only be an issue, if the population is so low on the server that you remember every name as it logs in.

If it ever gets that low, loot rules will be the least of anyone's worries
What is that baseball bat in your signature? Oh! It's a lightsaber! How cute is that !

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kilosoldier
02.22.2012 , 02:33 PM | #196
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian View Post
Such a thing can only be an issue, if the population is so low on the server that you remember every name as it logs in.

If it ever gets that low, loot rules will be the least of anyone's worries
People will earn a "name" for themselves. It happens in EVERY game. "Ninjas" will be shunned.

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ferroz
02.22.2012 , 02:33 PM | #197
Quote: Originally Posted by kilosoldier View Post
As server populations mature and the community gets to know one another more, those who think that they are entitled, whether they can technically do it or not, to roll need for companions over player characterts will be ostracized and shunned from the pug communities on a server, and quite possibly within their own guild, and very quickly find themselves on the outside looking in because of their actions.

That stigma will last long after the usefulness of that gear for ones companion.

I suggest the smug people that do this think long and hard about this situation.
Eh, we had real ninjalooters in EQ. People who stole loot that other people earned... that other RAIDS earned.

There was a druid who ninja'd then off of someone's 10th coldain ring war. She name changed, but that was back when SoE tracked name changes and so it's not like she was able to escape her rep. Edit: That was during SoL or early PoP, so the stuff she stole was still relevant.

she was still in a guild when I stopped playing. I still saw her in pug groups in some of the zones I was in.

edit again: not shaman, druid and it was just the coldain ring war. The shaman I was thinking of ninja'd off of the AoW. I think they happened around the same time; I keep conflating them for some reason.

There was a druid who was well known for training. He had spent ages training people, especially in RM (hill giants). he was in a guild years later

really, some people vastly overestimate how much rep matters. even when you've got your name on the server PoMS list (piece of Monkey X list)

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souloferdrick
02.22.2012 , 02:35 PM | #198
Quote: Originally Posted by Zunayson View Post
Well if everyone did that / if there were no problems with that, then this topic would never come up. Although yes, you have a point, not everyone is proactive enough to tell everyone about how they want the loot to work.

And It also comes down to how the loot geared on the person who received affected his/her performance. A knife drops for agents. There is a sniper and an operative. If I were a sniper, I'd let the operative have it most likely, as I benefit less from knives than the operative - of course assuming our starting gear prior to the drop was the same.
Many, many people form guilds or join guilds and similar associations so they can play with people of a like mindset. Things like loot distribution methods, usually play a large hand in this. Its why things like DKP are designed, implemented and adopted on a mass scale.

There are zero issues with the current loot system. The problem isn't with the game. Its a difference in opinion on how it should be handled. That right there should tell you to leave the current system alone and let the players sort it out for themselves.

Since the mob can't handle making real decisions on their own and for themselves, they will always appeal to an authority, or daddy figure, to come and make it better....for them of course.

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Vydor_HC
02.22.2012 , 02:37 PM | #199
Quote: Originally Posted by kilosoldier View Post
As server populations mature and the community gets to know one another more, those who think that they are entitled, whether they can technically do it or not, to roll need for companions over player characterts will be ostracized and shunned from the pug communities on a server, and quite possibly within their own guild, and very quickly find themselves on the outside looking in because of their actions.

That stigma will last long after the usefulness of that gear for ones companion.

I suggest the smug people that do this think long and hard about this situation.
Well, you can't ninja in this game. And the only players who would be a fault of bad behavior are the ones that accuse players of "ninjaing" when the rules were not discussed, or the ones that intentionally broke the rules. And I think everyone here is in favor of both of those parties being subject to any ramifications their actions lead to.

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kilosoldier
02.22.2012 , 02:39 PM | #200
Quote: Originally Posted by Vydor_HC View Post
Well, you can't ninja in this game. And the only players who would be a fault of bad behavior are the ones that accuse players of "ninjaing" when the rules were not discussed, or the ones that intentionally broke the rules. And I think everyone here is in favor of both of those parties being subject to any ramifications their actions lead to.
Im not using the term literally but in a figurative sense.