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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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Kaititiro
03.19.2012 , 07:40 PM | #761
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
You need to stop expecting a server merge. EA owns BioWare. EA is a publicly traded company. If they merge servers, they are, to the investing community, admitting "defeat". Their stock price will be impacted.

You are far more likely to see x-lfd than a server merge as the earlier action.
I understand that the modern mmo gamer has no time to play games but plays them anyway while whinging about the lack of time.

Seriously. If you cba to make friends and contacts in a game designed around social interaction go play a single player game. Please stop trying to turn mmos into solo games?

Not trying to be rude, but if you don't have time to do something while others do, it seems unfair to request the whole game be changed for you- and anyways, its not the same game you wanted to play once it's sped up and made accessable to the whole spectrum, is it?

I will mention chess...played by many, not played by many. If you like the game, you play it. I haven't heard too many people complain that they don't have time or brainpower to play chess so the game has to be changed so they can enjoy it too...

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daggerdun
03.19.2012 , 08:03 PM | #762
Quote: Originally Posted by NotDonnaReed View Post
I think I stated 3 times that I did join a guild, and it worked. I have queues whenever I want them.

I think I also stated that my objection to an x-lfg tool is that it poisons the player base whether I use it or not.

As far as it being "one of the most success tools in MMORPG history" ask yourself why this game is full of WoW refugees. Almost everyone in my guild came here from WoW.

Well, I will admit that I'm an ex-wow player. and proud of it. *that I quit that crappy game*
But I, Like a good many people left wow because of a terrible expansion and poorly implemented revamped class system.
I actually enjoyed my gaming time more with a lfg tool then i did before, and I played from the last year of classic all the way 4 months into cataclysm, Then I moved to rift and then to swtor.
Over the course of time it has become abundantly apparent that since it's implementation in world of warcraft the LFG-Tool has become an expected norm. Imagine trying to drive a car with out wheels, you wouldn't get vary far. The LFG-Tool is revolutionary in its function, It allows people who wouldn't have normally had the opportunity to step into a hardmode flashpoint the chance at experiencing the game.
I DID my time in wow classic, I don't want to face another mmo where the only way to play the content is to change factions, join a massive guild, and put up with the abuse and extortion that went on in those days. You know perhaps I'd like to enjoy my 15$/month investment AND down content.
When the LFG tool first released I think I poo'ed myself at how fast i could get into a group as a tank or as a healer. I cant imagine how many people on my own server I've helped in their progression simply by running heroics with them in the LFG-que long after i was fully geared. I got to make friends on other servers, meet people I wouldn't have other wise, learn a few tricks i wouldn't have otherwise.
I find that most of the anti-lfg Roderic is based solely on antisocial agenda's or to prevent progressions of independent players and smaller guilds from getting world and server firsts.
A LFG tool is a great idea, and a much needed one at that. The game seems wanting with out one.

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Darth_Eminok
03.19.2012 , 08:12 PM | #763
Hmm? Last time I checked we weren't getting one of these things.
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sensiblepoast
03.19.2012 , 08:28 PM | #764
Quote: Originally Posted by NotDonnaReed View Post
Cross-server queues sound great in theory. In fact, I was a huge proponent of them in WoW because I thought it would help me get more gear in less time. Six months later it became a lesson in be careful what you wish for.
Frankly I don't understand why everyone thinks bioware would copy a LFD design without addressing its shortcomings. At any rate your worst case scenario is certainly better than spamming for 2h, not finding anyone and just giving up.

And what the hell are you supposed to do meanwhile? Sit in fleet because theres no official global channel? Yes, the game forcing me to sit with my arms crossed at fleet because I want to find a group for 2h makes for a terribad gaming experience.

LFD or cross server LFD in "slumbering" servers would centainly help, despite all its possible problems. I can think of a way or two to easily ameliorate the situations you described, and no, its not votekick.

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Andryah
03.19.2012 , 08:56 PM | #765
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Eminok View Post
Hmm? Last time I checked we weren't getting one of these things.
Getting it for PvP

NOT getting it for PvE, which will be single server LFG.

I have no clue why this dead horse is still being flogged.
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.

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Touchbass
03.19.2012 , 09:06 PM | #766
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Getting it for PvP

NOT getting it for PvE, which will be single server LFG.

I have no clue why this dead horse is still being flogged.
Cause it needs to have the parameters build first like in WoW through the use of X-PvP. Next will come X-LFD. More people want X-LFD then those who don't want it :P

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DawnAskham
03.19.2012 , 09:40 PM | #767
Quote: Originally Posted by NotDonnaReed View Post
This is my feeling as well. I love WoW and would almost certainly still be playing that game if I didn't have to put up with so many obnoxious people. After two years of LFG, my server became totally dysfunctional. I found another server that seemed friendlier, and in less than a year that server was just like the other one. It was the people, not the game, that caused me to quit. If the GMs had been willing to whip out the ban stick occasionally, things might've played out differently. Instead they seemed to ignore or even condone offensive behavior, which caused the player base to skew increasingly nasty.

To the guy who claims only 1% of random queues were problematic: I imagine you're fudging the statistics to support your own position. If not, count yourself lucky. From my experience, it was more like 10% hostile and 20% incompetent (i.e., multiple wipes). I guess 30% bad may sound okay if you're desperate to run flashpoints, but keep in mind that the other 70% weren't exactly great either, since most people couldn't even be bothered to type 'Hi' before they started pulling. The bad experiences also tended to be far more memorable.

I'm going to tell the LFG people what I wish someone had told me three years ago: stop complaining and join a guild. Even on my stinky light-pop server, there are three guilds actively recruiting for all levels. I ran through almost every flashpoint at the correct level because I had a guild. I'm running hard modes 3-5 days a week now because I have a guild. If you have decent social skills and are willing to play a tank or healer, it's actually very easy to find groups for flashpoints (not so much for heroics; nobody wants to do those). If you don't have social skills, why are you playing an MMO?

The LFG will create more problems than it solves.
People have different experiences, and as you yourself pointed out, remember the bad more so than the good.

In WoW, I rarely had a bad LFG experience. And I used the LFG all the time, even though I had a great guild that competes for server first hard mode kills. In fact I found my guild through a group in LFG.

Why did I use LFG?

Because there are plenty of times I'd want do group content that my guildies were not on or available. Times when I was on at odd hours, times when I logged on just after a group started, times when I was leveling an alt.

Saying players shouldn't have the option of being able to fill a group or make a group with other players from all servers that all want to do the same content because you had bad experiences is just being selfish.

As to your idea that everyone should join the perfect guild where everyone logs on at the same time all wanting to do the same thing in perfect groups of four, Fantasyland is that way ------>

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Touchbass
03.19.2012 , 09:44 PM | #768
Quote: Originally Posted by DawnAskham View Post
selfish.

As to your idea that everyone should join the perfect guild where everyone logs on at the same time all wanting to do the same thing in perfect groups of four, Fantasyland is that way ------>
I love fantasyland

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Nitewolfe
03.19.2012 , 10:18 PM | #769
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaititiro View Post
I agree with this. The amount of whining and horrible behavoir from the WoW community after lfd and lfr were implemented was intolerable. If such a thing goes live in swtor I will be immensly dissapointed and just move on to another game.
LMFAO it will happen here it is just a matter of time..

Oh and good luck finding a game WITHOUT a cross server lfg system!

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Toxen
03.19.2012 , 10:27 PM | #770
I fully support a cross-server LFG system. In fact, I think they should have had that in the game from release.

I waited for years for WoW to get one, then as soon as they did, I left to come to this game without one
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