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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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Meldwyn
03.13.2012 , 12:05 PM | #561
Quote: Originally Posted by Vlaxitov View Post
If you want a lobby game, buy CoD.
How does WZ PvP work again?
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Vlaxitov
03.13.2012 , 12:18 PM | #562
Quote: Originally Posted by CaMiCaZiE View Post
this thread is about a cross realm dungeon finder. a bandaid solution to bigger problem perhaps. but maybe it will buy time for larger changes. are you against it or not, its not really clear.
Then you would be trying to dress a wound to the jugular with a 10 cent bandaid in this game and it will buy about that much time.

I'm saying the reason LFG or even X-Realm LFG won't matter in this game is the same reason content like hard mode dungeons is being difficult to find groups for to begin with. The character progression you get out of hard modes is a shallow give away.

If you have successfully made it through all the content of this game (which isn't really that hard) then you already know why there isn't enough people that want to run HM FPs. BW didn't put enough long term interest in even the 8 or 16 man content let alone the 4 man content. Thats the problem, and of course it negatively impacts the content's accessibility. I feel bad for new people joining this game because they are screwed. They will never enjoy it the way people who started at release did with or without the groupping tools.

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Vlaxitov
03.13.2012 , 12:22 PM | #563
Quote: Originally Posted by Meldwyn View Post
How does WZ PvP work again?
8 empire players queue up for every 1 republic player and 7 of those 8 empire players end up playing huttball. It clearly doesen't work for WZ PvP.

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Meldwyn
03.13.2012 , 12:24 PM | #564
Quote: Originally Posted by Vlaxitov View Post
8 empire players queue up for every 1 republic player and 7 of those 8 empire players end up playing huttball. It clearly doesen't work for WZ PvP.
So, more or less like a broken lobby game?
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Vlaxitov
03.13.2012 , 12:25 PM | #565
Quote: Originally Posted by Meldwyn View Post
So, more or less like a broken lobby game?
Broken lobby game because its also trying to be a mmo.

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dondiwayne
03.13.2012 , 12:31 PM | #566
Quote: Originally Posted by theoffspringlp View Post
You might as well give up on trying to ask why something that is completely optional bugs people. I've asked twice in this thread and didn't get a single answer, they just keep complaining about how cross-server lfg will ruin their "community". It's kinda like watching kids walk by a house minding their own business and an old guy comes out and starts yelling at the kids to get off his lawn. I have no intention of stopping others from forming guild groups or spamming chat for groups, why do you want to stop me from forming groups with other people who enjoy grouping up with random people, killing things, thank everyone for a lovely time, and then all go their separate ways?
X-Server LFG is a bad solution to an existing problem, it may solve some issues with people who can't find groups but it introduces a lot more problems. It is like saying:"Oh there are not enough jobs in country A, let's make a X-Country LFJ, it only produces other problems.

A serious player never has any issues with finding groups and that i am certain of. While levelling you make friends and those friends will serve in the future to form groups. Ofc if you play terrible, ninja things or simply annoy people with your attitude, they will not want to group with you in the future.
I also read a lot about people who want solo to 50, in that case, they will not make any friends and have difficulties finding groups.
In real life you also not make make your way solo, ignore everyone and then use a looking for friends tool.
MMOs are a progress, you have levelling to built up a reputation, to make friends, to form guilds, etc...With looking for groups, you could also just give everyone a lvl 50 char and let them use their tools to find groups, what will that be? Right! A lobby game...like COD, Battlefield...Choose your Class, choose your gamemode, PvP or PvE and wait for other people to join...

One major problem with X-Server tools is, that they will indeed take care of the problems some people are having with finding groups but the result will be another one. People will get grouped with people who wouldnt find a group otherwise for serious reasons; bad play; ninjaing; bad language; etc... Then those people will cry on the forums like they did to get a LFG-tool, that the content is too difficult, because they get grouped with bad players and that everyone has a right to do everything etc...The result will be, that the content will get nerfed, everyone will faceroll the content and then we are facing a WoW after TBC status...You want that? I don't want it.

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ferroz
03.13.2012 , 12:35 PM | #567
Quote: Originally Posted by Vlaxitov View Post
8 empire players queue up for every 1 republic player and 7 of those 8 empire players end up playing huttball. It clearly doesen't work for WZ PvP.
depends on the server; on my server, we wind up playing huttball as republic, because the imps aren't interested in pvp when they don't have a 4:1 advantage. So they stick mostly to illum, and we stick mostly to wz

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Vlaxitov
03.13.2012 , 12:38 PM | #568
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
depends on the server; on my server, we wind up playing huttball as republic, because the imps aren't interested in pvp when they don't have a 4:1 advantage. So they stick mostly to illum, and we stick mostly to wz
Yet another example of how it doesen't work.

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ferroz
03.13.2012 , 12:38 PM | #569
Quote: Originally Posted by Vlaxitov View Post
I was MT up through nax 40 in vanilla. Do you think I had problems with "heroics?"
Yes.

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The content was MADE EASIER, it didn't just get easier on its own or because people became "massively overgeared" with the gear they got out of the same dungeons.
No, really, it became massively easy because people were massively overgeared for the content. The wrath heroics were a cakewalk.

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Vlaxitov
03.13.2012 , 12:42 PM | #570
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
Yes.

No, really, it became massively easy because people were massively overgeared for the content. The wrath heroics were a cakewalk.
Well no, I didn't have trouble steamrolling heroics.

If people got massively overgeared in WoTLK it was because WoW was in full welfare mode by then and they STILL nerfed the content ontop of that.