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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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Devlonir
03.08.2012 , 06:48 AM | #211
Quote: Originally Posted by Galjoss View Post
That was a comparison of x-server and single server lfg tools, obviously x-server is is faster than no tool, the point I was trying to make is once you have a certain amount of players looking for a group increasing the number of players available doesn't decrease wait times, the rate of groups starting increases by the same amount as the length of the que increasing meaning the same average wait time.

My guess would be that in practice x-server would be faster than single server, even with full servers because I doubt a single server would have the required critical mass, especially at lower level flashpoints, but bioware doesn't need to implement a full x-server solution to get all of the benefits, something that prioritizes local players when forming groups could probably be implemented with little change in que time's, giving all the benefits of a x-server system while also going some way to address the legitimate concerns of the people opposed to it
Exactly, this is what my feeling tells me as well. Once a certain critical mass is reached, no gain will be had from creating a cross server variant versus a single server variant.

Just because Rift couldn't get single server to work, doesn't mean TOR can't. They need to consolidate servers and, as another poster suggested, make server transfers easilly accessible for it to work though.

One downside this game has though is that of all 24 specs, 18 are DPS, 3 are healer and 3 are tank. While they need only 2 DPS for each flashpoint group. So people need to be the tank/healer spec more often than the other specs if necessary to even make any automated queue system work, be it single or cross server. Otherwise you get a situation where a healer/tank can get 6 groups before a DPS gets even 1. This is why I also say they need multi-spec before they go into creating any queue type.
No matter how big the queue group gets, the fact that you need the same amount of healers and tanks as you do DPS for each group makes the looking for a group harder than in other games.
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Meldwyn
03.08.2012 , 06:53 AM | #212
What if BW did the smart thing and created one huge server that everyone played on? I would support single server in this case!

Otherwise, why not utilize the opportunity to group with anyone and everyone playing SW at the time you are on?

Silly arguments against cross server LFG tools. No verifiable evidence of any destructive outcomes. Just conjecture and "urban myths".
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Nauwra
03.08.2012 , 06:56 AM | #213
I have two level 50's on a dead server. A level 40 there also.

Re-rolled on fatman and swiftsure - both of those characters are above 40. Now swiftsure is sucking due to the oceanic servers being opened. I've finished hoth five times. That's torture.

I have NOT done all flashpoints yet. I CANNOT get a group, unless I want to run esseles or manda (for some reason these are always popular).

After leveling, grinding valor the old-fashoined way, then re-rolling - I'm all but totally burned out on this game. I wouldn't be, but for my home server dying and bioware essentially forcing me to start over just to play their damned supergame of the century.

Think about how many hours I've spent in this game and don't even know what the inside of red reaper or colicoid looks like.


Screw your MMO value system - if you don't like pugging for a flashpoint, then join a huge PVE coop singleplayer gaming guild (my biased interpretation of PVE "progression" guilds). I joined for pvp, but in order to level to 50, exp and gear needs to be properly padded from time to time with flashpoints.

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ferroz
03.08.2012 , 07:20 AM | #214
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
My apologies I mis-spoke. You missed a major part of the conversation with that guy I'll enlighten you.
No, I caught that. I disagreed with it in another post; i think that was in this thread.

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What I'd like to point out though the game has a system similar but not identical to this. It's an EXTREMELY crude version that does not search by flashpoints or heroic quests to give a list of players OR groups currently looking for groups or members for that specific flashpoint or heroic group only those flagged for LFG. And IF they edited the default comment of LFG.

The other thing is a cross server LFG will NOT help those looking for heroic quests.
the sort of tool that you're talking about existed in many other games; in all of those games, spamming general chat (either in a player hub, or the zone you wanted a group in) for a group was the only useful way to get a group, because virtually noone is willing to use such a clunky "tool".

In wow, it was much faster pre-lfd to spam dalaran for groups than it was to flag yourself as lfg using that tool. In EQ, it was much faster to go to the zone and spam ooc than it was to flag yourself lfg.

The system you're talking about is useless; if people want to put together a pug group in any reasonable amount of time, they have to spam, otherwise they're simply not going to find people.

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Meldwyn
03.08.2012 , 07:26 AM | #215
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
What I'd like to point out though the game has a system similar but not identical to this. It's an EXTREMELY crude version that does not search by flashpoints or heroic quests to give a list of players OR groups currently looking for groups or members for that specific flashpoint or heroic group only those flagged for LFG. And IF they edited the default comment of LFG.
The sorriest excuse for a LFG tool I have ever experienced. I used it exclusively since the beginning, but now no longer even bother with it. Waste of time and effort. BW clearly had nothing in mind and just threw that together so no one could say they didn't have one. Sad.

Anyone who brings this up has either never used it, or never had to rely upon it to get fp groups.
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Quip
03.08.2012 , 07:58 AM | #216
Quote: Originally Posted by Meldwyn View Post
What if BW did the smart thing and created one huge server that everyone played on? I would support single server in this case!

Otherwise, why not utilize the opportunity to group with anyone and everyone playing SW at the time you are on?

Silly arguments against cross server LFG tools. No verifiable evidence of any destructive outcomes. Just conjecture and "urban myths".

It's internet group-think, it comes from the WoW-hate cult and its amazing ability to radiate its thoughts to the unthinking through catch phrases. Politicians use the same technique, gullible people will start to think whatever you tell them to think if you drive the thought home hard enough, repeat the phrase constantly and never deviate from topic.

Nevertheless, my heart goes out to those who get all excited to log on and get something going only to log off two hours later with an empty feeling. I recommend using the same technique, come up with a catch phrase and abuse it in every dialogue, every channel available to you. Bioware may take notice of you at some point, or you can lead with your money and let EA take notice before Bioware does.
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Motoeric
03.08.2012 , 08:00 AM | #217
I've been playing mmos for a long time, and nothing's like having that closed server community feel.

I know the perks to having cross server LFG and whatnot, but honestly it kills the community and i really wish people could understand that.

Make friends with the people on your server =/

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singuin
03.08.2012 , 08:11 AM | #218
i do understand this is an mmo... there has to be a sense that you're playing with other ppl, but i must join the side that dosent understand how the cross server lfg tool will kill the community.

to me, standing around the fleet for an hour or 2 spamming lfg on general chat is gonna kill THE GAME. Without a game i don't think the community stands much of a chance of survival.
If you're afraid you might be stuck in a fp with 2 melee dps maybe some kind of filter could be included so group composition can be "controlled" a bit.


And to those afraid this might kill the community i suggest you stop using google when you wanna find something and walk down the street shouting what it is your looking for and see how much fun that is... or you might wanna try interacting with other ppl, i mean... there are actual communities out there... i dunnow, guess you might wanna check those out...


and if you dont like the lfg tool... dont use it... just dont deprive ppl of what they want simply because you dont want it. I work, i have a GF... i cant spend 2 hours online and just run a FP...
yea well, that' all i got to say about that...

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Valkirus
03.08.2012 , 08:15 AM | #219
Quote: Originally Posted by Motoeric View Post
I've been playing mmos for a long time, and nothing's like having that closed server community feel.

I know the perks to having cross server LFG and whatnot, but honestly it kills the community and i really wish people could understand that.

Make friends with the people on your server =/
Not everyone who plays a MMO cares about having the "community feel" on a server. They play to have fun and have real life " community feel" concerns to deal with. A LFG tool helps those to find groups to do content they otherwise would not have the time to do. My guild in WoW for example has not lost any of it's community feel sence Blizz has added the LFG tool , mainly because we are a guild which knows real life concerns come first and we play to have fun, not to develope relationships in a MMO.
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Holden_Dissent
03.08.2012 , 08:18 AM | #220
Let's just try the server first LFG first, then see if we need cross server. You're not going to change their mind until AFTER the server side LFG goes live.

Rift did it and now they have both options. Which I think is fantastic. The ability do either is a good in between.