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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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Pravis
03.07.2012 , 03:25 PM | #181
Quote: Originally Posted by Voqar View Post

If MMORPGs were rental cars...

WoW would be the luxury sedan - every feature you could want (which of course, you don't have to use, but it's there if you want it).

TOR would be the cheapest economy car you could rent. Zero features but it gets you from point A to point B.

Every other MMORPG on the market would be somewhere in between but far higher up the chain than TOR, for sure, because I don't think any mainstream MMORPG has ever been so feature deprived. Even indie F2P MMORPGS offer more than TOR does for basic features.

It is completely ridiculous. But not as ridiculous as players who don't want basic features in the game, even though they don't have to use them? How is this remotely logical? Why care or limit how other people play with your close minded backwardness?
Your analogy is wrong. If you want to use cars then the correct way would be that Blizzard would be the car company established in 2005 with WoW their flagship car. For 7 years they keep adding features until a new car company is established in 2012 called Bioware with their car TOR. Not having the 7 years of experience and metrics they still have tons more features in their first year car then Blizzard had in their first couple years BUT they also improved on some features and added new ones that aren't even on the horizon for their competitor.

That's s little more accurate. You can't compare a 7 year old game which has been printing money to invest in improvements to a new game from a company with no experience in the market. You could compare launches of each game and see how TOR has learned from WoW but haven't the time yet to add all features.

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DarthTHC
03.07.2012 , 03:29 PM | #182
Quote: Originally Posted by Ruuprect View Post
NO!!!!!!!
Hey, if you enjoy waiting to play, you can always log in and stand around Fleet for 30 minutes stroking your lekku before launching the LFG tool...
Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought. ~ Isaac Bashevis Singer

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malangus
03.07.2012 , 03:48 PM | #183
Quote: Originally Posted by Voqar View Post
We're talking basic stuff here, not outlandish requests. Combat log. Target of target. Readycheck. Basic macro functionality (no stacking garbage like Rift has or anything remotely exploitive).
I'm not against combat log. I'm against Omen/Scada kind of implementation. People get to concentrate too much on the dps meter than actually seeing the fight and dying because of stupidity.

A stat window after each boss and a final stat at end of flashpoint like the wz one will be enough to compare against same or other classes. Having a summary after each boss make the players see how they are doing in sections of a fp and change their mechanics.

Macros can be nice, but my keyboard and mouse have macro software already, so in my case I don't care if it comes or not.

I'm not against LFG either. I'm against speciall extra rewards awarded by just using LFG. The only extra incentive I might recommend is extra incentive for tank/healers to promote those roles and balance servers a little more. But if implememted that way, it should check the talent spec and not allow dps rolling as heals/tanks because they want the incentive and shorter queue.

One person suggested to implement Dual Spec. I recommend Triple Spec. Dual Spec is good for dps only classes since they can have their PvE/PvP builds, but for a multi-role class is way too short. One thing I really liked from Rift is it's Quad Spec system. I only used 3 on a Cleric being Healer, Pve and Pvp specs.

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Smitar
03.07.2012 , 03:56 PM | #184
I suspect the howls of anguish against it are from people who want/have to be carried...it's the digital version of tying a pork chop around their neck. Their idea of "building community" is "lots of people too polite to boot me for sucking desperately".

Here, most server pops are so low and instances are so easy, even terminally clueless can get groups...they've got a pulse, a core temp higher than ambient, and people are just that desperate. Put in LFG, and the rest of us aren't stuck playing with people who refuse to learn their class and/or refuse to listen or learn. Make it cross-server, and they'll get no slack cut. Personally, I feel that the humbling experience of getting screamed at by a 12 YO to be a great motivator...when the 12 YO is right.

It's the same people in a guild, who are constantly trying to get groups, with guildies going "umm, eer...I'm washing my toons hair, sorry". Same people, that when you try to help them set up their gear, go work with their rotation on the target dummies, walk them through instances (crawl/walk/run)...are always too busy to bother. Same people, that won't go farm mats or gold to buy the enchants or gems they need. But they expect "the community" to carry them through heroics and raids, because hey, they should have the same stuff the rest of us have...all without effort on their part. Isn't that what "the community" is for?

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malangus
03.07.2012 , 04:00 PM | #185
Amen for that brother Smitar. I have a friend that after 6 years still don't have a clue how to play a Warrior in WOW and is mad that he constantly gets beaten up.

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Suriken
03.07.2012 , 04:11 PM | #186
Quote: Originally Posted by Voqar View Post
Please keep TOR in the stone age of MMORPGs! No target of target, no readycheck, no combat log, no LFG tools, surely no cross server LFG, no macros, no addons, no UI customization NOTHING. Heck, remove bindable hotkeys...who needs it, surely they're exploitive or somehow related directly to satan.
Someone obviously didn't watch or didn't pay attention to the guild summit.

Target of Target: Getting put in.

Readycheck: Getting put in.

Combat log: Personal combat log including test dummies on your starship.

LFG tools: cross server warzones, and single server LFG getting put in.

Macros: sure, they talked about that, but didn't give a definitive answer, so i'll give you this one, but tbh, you don't NEED macros, sure it helps but its not like AMIGAWD game is unplayable.

Addons: I highly doubt this will be permanent, but for now, you win. It's not like its a necessity either, addon's made wow stupid easy raiding. who cares about actually watching for a mechanic wait for the big bright text to tell you, and stuff like healbot and grid made healing so faceroll.

UI customization: yep, this is coming down the line too!


Damn, your 2/7 of there buddy, talk about a bad percentage. And those 2 aren't game breaking, and in the end imho, it just makes the game be dumb down.

Just my 2 cents.

edit: typo
Quote: Originally Posted by DrekorSilverfang View Post
Burst class does burst damage. More news at 11 including snipers shoot stuff with guns.

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Limedust
03.07.2012 , 04:16 PM | #187
Quote: Originally Posted by Suriken View Post
Someone obviously didn't watch or didn't pay attention to the guild summit.

Target of Target: Getting put in.

Readycheck: Getting put in.

Combat log: Personal combat log including test dummies on your starship.

LFG tools: cross server warzones, and single server LFG getting put in.

Macros: sure, they talked about that, but didn't give a definitive answer, so i'll give you this one, but tbh, you don't NEED macros, sure it helps but its not like AMIGAWD game is unplayable.

Addons: I highly doubt this will be permanent, but for now, you win. It's not like its a necessity either, addon's made wow stupid easy raiding. who cares about actually watching for a mechanic wait for the big bright text to tell you, and stuff like healbot and grid made healing so faceroll.

UI customization: yep, this is coming down the line too!


Damn, your 2/7 of there buddy, talk about a bad percentage. And those 2 aren't game breaking, and in the end imho, it just makes the game be dumb down.

Just my 2 cents.

edit: typo
Ah cool, so they are fixing problems and bringing the game out of beta. Thanks for detailing that.
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valgar
03.07.2012 , 04:18 PM | #188
Cross Realm no.

Server only yes.

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Bodah
03.07.2012 , 04:38 PM | #189
-FIXED-

Cross Realm yes.

Server only no.

Too many low pop servers, and the community argument is lame. I don't want to be shoe-horned into someone's romantic notion of community.
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ferroz
03.07.2012 , 05:41 PM | #190
Quote: Originally Posted by Galjoss View Post
Cross server only lowers the wait times because it means there is always a group forming, meaning for a char like a tank its instant action, once you have a critical mass of players where there is always a group forming and in fact there is queue of groups waiting to fill certain roles then the cross server part doesn't really add much in terms of queue speed.
The fact that the groups form faster also speeds up the wait times for dps as well; they just don't wind up with instant queues.


Quote: Originally Posted by Devlonir View Post
Not necessarily. A shame I cannot draw it out for you, but lower averages only means the average time is lower.
No, it really does mean that either the maximum edge case is lower, or that there are less people tending toward the high edge cases.

And worth noting: cross server helps the upper edge cases more than anything else: the people in rift who queued for 6+ hours single server didn't have to wait nearly as long once it was cross server. They saw an order of magnitude level reduction in wait time.