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Questions about HM Flashpoints


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Zazzaro
02.19.2012 , 03:24 PM | #1
Hello,
So i just had a couple questions so i don't end up hated and blacklisted on my server. I just hit lvl 50 and have been doing dailies to try and gear up my implants and ear pieces (600 dailys total i think). Im a Inq specced for healing. On my way to lvl 50, i pretty much did the solo content to 50 (no flashpoints, no Heroic 4s really). I've been subbed to 5 or 6 different MMOs so i know how to work in a group dynamic and how to heal so not too worried about it. I also use the keyboard mostly for healing in groups in the past (not a ability clicker while in groups). Thats some background. Not a complete noob when grouping, but not your raid member that has been raiding every week for the last 5 years. I didnt mean to level to 50 solo, but doing the planet quests on rested xp leveled me up fast and was at least a little challenging (going to planets 2 levels below the suggested level range).

My questions really are: Am i going to be under geared if i try to group up to do a HM flashpoint? I think ill go back and solo the flashpoints with my companion so Im at least familiar with the layout. My fear is being undergeared.... doing a crappy healing job cause my gear isnt allowing for enough bonus healing, crits etc. etc. and getting hated on by my server and ignored by people lol. Def dont want that cause of a rookie mistake. Should i stick the course and not try the HM flashpoints until i get those daily com. upgrades? Or can i heal just fine in the mostly lvl 47+ blue/purps/oranges i currently have?

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anthonyjedi
02.19.2012 , 03:45 PM | #2
Well, let me give it to you straight from a tanks perspective. I play a Jedi Guardian full tank spec. The other day I thought I would try and give Hard Mode Esseles a shot and well let me tell you even with mostly lvl 50 epics at 17k hp unbuffed I was getting owned. We could not even finish the first boss. I was told I need to have at a minimum full Champion gear, implants, and earring with 20k hp.

So now I am just working on finishing my Champion set via PvP as its easier and faster than running dailies IMO.

I think BioWare made a huge mistake with the itemization in Lvl 50 flashpoints. What they should have done is put gear in the Lvl 50 normal flashpoints and then progress to the hard modes. But as it is now if you gear up in the flashpoints the gear is not good enough for hard modes. Hell running normal Eternity Vault is easier than a hard mode flashpoint.

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anthemambient
02.19.2012 , 04:13 PM | #3
i've been running FPs/Heroics/Quests with two friends about the time we began playing. both are tanks and i'm a first time healer and we have been most successful. reached 50 and decided to try out HM FP but got decimated by the first boss in Esseles. even with the great gear we currently had, it wasn't enough. just shows that every gear is inferior to another gear and so on.

best route is to complete Dailies on Ilum and Belsavis. the latter i abhor so i skip it. i have focused entirely on Ilum/Warzones as i find this suit me best. might work for you.

i've been skipping on Champion gear atm; Centurion gear will hopefully work for HM FP.

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DanBroChill
02.19.2012 , 04:18 PM | #4
One of my biggest complaints about this game is there, in my opinion, isn't any gear that helps transition new level 50's into HM's, you can spend weeks doing dailies for the mods and implants and what not, but without at least some champion gear you are going to be very weak. I don't like the fact that I felt like I had to pvp for 3-4 peices of champ just to be viable in HM's. Tionese gear is kind of a minimum for HM's, but you have to do HM's to get tionese gear.

In short, in my experience, you need to pvp for some champ gear before jumping into HM's.

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eightohfive
02.19.2012 , 04:30 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by DanBroChill View Post
One of my biggest complaints about this game is there, in my opinion, isn't any gear that helps transition new level 50's into HM's, you can spend weeks doing dailies for the mods and implants and what not, but without at least some champion gear you are going to be very weak. I don't like the fact that I felt like I had to pvp for 3-4 peices of champ just to be viable in HM's. Tionese gear is kind of a minimum for HM's, but you have to do HM's to get tionese gear.

In short, in my experience, you need to pvp for some champ gear before jumping into HM's.
There is no reason you can't do Hard Modes in blue/orange level 50 gear. I mean I guess there are some really terrible players out there that it would it more difficult. However I recall doing Black Talon, False Emp, and Battle of Ilum in level 50 greens and blues (that goes for the whole group). Also 8man EV normal is VERY easy, even if everyone is in blues and greens (might get stopped at Soa, but thats it). I would argue that it is easier than some of those hardmodes.
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Karkais
02.19.2012 , 04:43 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by anthonyjedi View Post
Well, let me give it to you straight from a tanks perspective. I play a Jedi Guardian full tank spec. The other day I thought I would try and give Hard Mode Esseles a shot and well let me tell you even with mostly lvl 50 epics at 17k hp unbuffed I was getting owned. We could not even finish the first boss. I was told I need to have at a minimum full Champion gear, implants, and earring with 20k hp.
While I do not play yet on the jedi side much, what you said sounds .. wrong. It sounds more like your healer sucked. Or your DPS sucked and you hit enrage timer. In other words, if theres a weak link in your team, it can cause your entire team wipe in a tough spot. It wasnt necessarily your fault, is what Im saying. I cant say more without knowing particulars.

Hardmodes should definitely be doable on relatively generic gear, as long as its the correct type of gear (tank having a shield gen and not power generator etc). Bosses also have mechanics which you need to sometimes know (like interrupt a hardhitting attack etc)
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Zazzaro
02.19.2012 , 06:03 PM | #7
Thanks for replies everyone. Sounds like i should just do dailys to get those couple upgrades while going back and getting familiar with the flashpoints. I have a couple friends I'm waiting to get to 50 as well anyways.

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Aardevark
02.19.2012 , 06:18 PM | #8
The first boss in esseleas is totally fooked he has a very short enrage timer and can 1 shot a 20K tank. Esseleas is not scaled right for a hard mode hell some of the drops are lvl 11 in hard mode.It looks to me as this was a last minute hard mode instance and not thought.
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Ganrax
02.19.2012 , 06:43 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by DanBroChill View Post
One of my biggest complaints about this game is there, in my opinion, isn't any gear that helps transition new level 50's into HM's, you can spend weeks doing dailies for the mods and implants and what not, but without at least some champion gear you are going to be very weak. I don't like the fact that I felt like I had to pvp for 3-4 peices of champ just to be viable in HM's. Tionese gear is kind of a minimum for HM's, but you have to do HM's to get tionese gear.

In short, in my experience, you need to pvp for some champ gear before jumping into HM's.
This isn't true at all. You can be perfectly viable in Hardmodes with just a full set of the daily mods in orange gear. You will be a few stat points short(literally 1-2) of tionese equivalent and no set bonus but you are more than viable in that gear if you are specced correctly and know your class, which you should by the time you hit 50 anyway.

For the OP: It only takes 6 days to get a full set of armoring/mods/enhancements/hilt(or barrel), 7 if you are a class that dual wields. After you get that full set you should still be doing dailies to get your Rakata Earpiece, and 2 Rakata Implants which comes to 360 daily commendations total, so at 25 commendations a day if you are doing your Belsavis AND Ilum dailies you will get all 3 of those in 15 days of dailies. They aren't needed for Hardmodes but they are the best you can get, even through raiding, so you should still want them if you want the best for PvE gear. For Hardmodes you can get by with just a full set of the daily mods in orange gear and upgrade to Tionese and Columi gear as you do your Hardmodes.

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Ganrax
02.19.2012 , 06:50 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by anthonyjedi View Post
Well, let me give it to you straight from a tanks perspective. I play a Jedi Guardian full tank spec. The other day I thought I would try and give Hard Mode Esseles a shot and well let me tell you even with mostly lvl 50 epics at 17k hp unbuffed I was getting owned. We could not even finish the first boss. I was told I need to have at a minimum full Champion gear, implants, and earring with 20k hp.
This actually depends on the situation here for this boss. If the boss himself was destroying you then I would say yes you were undergeared for it, but if the adds were alive and hitting you for more than 5 seconds and destroying you then it is a DPS fail as they should have been AOEing down the adds ontop of the boss.