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Design decisions and why the game engine hurts TOR

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Design decisions and why the game engine hurts TOR

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Daeborn
02.20.2012 , 07:52 AM | #51
Well damn, I guess this horse isn't dead for some...

This game in many ways is much better then most I have played a few months in since release. If you don't like the game then let your money talk by taking it elsewhere and leaving it to us who have no problem paying and waiting for more improvements.

Bye...

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Ironspeed
02.20.2012 , 07:57 AM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by Siorac View Post
Some very, very weird points.

I don't think companions were ever supposed to be used for Flashpoints; they are very useful for Heroic quests though. If you turn off their AoE they won't break CC and they have pretty good AI.
Me and my wife are level 45, we have never grouped with anyone else yet, Mako heals for us.

Apart from a few tricky places (hk47 in foundry) we dont need anyone else, this is ofc normal mode.
All we needed so far was to use ctrl+2 to turn companions on passive now and then..

Companions for anything pre HM flashpoints seems pretty decent (except colicoid, wich we failed miserably on and never went back to).
The voyage of discovery is not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes.
-Marcel Proust

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Temad
02.20.2012 , 07:57 AM | #53
What sunk things for me was when I realized that the best part of the game, the class/companion story lines, could all be experienced on Youtube in about 20 minutes. Once you remove that part you also realize that while this "MMO" is not F2P and likely won't be any time soon because it would be such a corporate fiasco, you also understand that there are a good half dozen F2P MMOs that play much, much better than SWTOR.

Bioware tried to create something different and for that I give them all the credit in the world. It just didn't work and I can't see anything but a redo fixing it which also isn't happening.

My sub ends in 2 days, good luck to you who stay and for the rest of us leaving, here is hoping something arrives for us soon.
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Drewser
02.20.2012 , 07:57 AM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by CptKloss View Post
lol... so you're the one lover of 2 hour long instances filled with thash instead of real content?
We ran EV in an hour this week. That is simply too short for one of the games two operations.

Flashpoints can be done just as fast.

Why do you think so many are complaining about nothing to do at 50?

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Alluriss
02.20.2012 , 08:02 AM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Drewser View Post
Once I read that, I discounted his whole post.

It is just a disguised "I quit" thread.
Given the depth of the OP's points and what his post covers it should be obvious if you have even read the entirety of the post that it is certainly not a 'I quit' post. In RL I am the OP's girlfriend and we both have the same view on the game and we are both huge fans of Starwars and Bioware games. We had both purchased new pcs for this game, both have collectors editions and really wish to love this game. We both have 6 month subs and wish to logon regularly, but do not at present do so given the points he raises in the original post.

The OP's views on the game is something that he wanted to express given his love for all things Bioware, nothing more.

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Frostvein
02.20.2012 , 08:03 AM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by carliiiiito View Post
just wanted to say something about the fps.
i have an ok pc ,nothing special,i have never even once encountered a fps drops,nowhere,ever. Smooth 60-90 fps regardless of how many people on screen.
WZ,FP,even the imperial fleet on veela where it gets to about 180 people .
Not saying it doesnt happen but its not as widespread as you claim ,imo
Never been to ilum so cant comment there
Can you post your specs then?

I just find a hard time believing I can't get over 60 FPS anywhere on my brand new machine.
Meanwhile, in Tera general chat -

"The sad thing is, arguing with fanbois on the forums was more entertaining than their 300 million dollar single player MMO from 2008"

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Valkirus
02.20.2012 , 08:06 AM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Frostvein View Post
Can you post your specs then?

I just find a hard time believing I can't get over 60 FPS anywhere on my brand new machine.
If you have Vsnyc on and your monitor refresh rate is set to 60 hz..you will not get over 60 fps.
Which by the way any thing over 30 fps is perfectly fine for playing a computer game....any.
Trust is something which is earned.

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hugor
02.20.2012 , 08:07 AM | #58
I'm yet to find a Flashpoint - normal or heroic - that takes me more then 30-45m to run. There is so much you can avoid\skip, and using 'sap' (operatives\assassins cc) or smuggle you can avoid a lot more.

As far as your post goes, i agree entirely with your Engine analysis, that really was a bad choice by Bioware, but i consider you to be completely wrong on others. Dissing out the Warzones available? Huttball has to be the most entertaining and original warzone\bg i played with the pass the ball ability. Yes, it can get annoying with the knockbacks\whatnot, but the concept is by far the best. And there were domination (alderaan) and ctf (huttball) maps long before wow's arathi basin and warsong gulch... so that's just a ridiculous observation. Or do you really think WoW invented them?

Companions do what they said they would. You can easily run a hm fp with a companion healer\dps, even a tank if you take your time and play safe. Yes, they can react slowly when you pull them back, but that's not a major issue at all. And obviously, turn off their aoe abilities if you're having issues with them breaking cc , lol.

anyways, valid points, and others just turned into swtor bashing, wow-loving propaganda.

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Rollcageuk
02.20.2012 , 08:07 AM | #59
Quote:
My guess is that you didn't even read more than a sentence or two. It wasn't an "I quit" thread as much as a "I don't play anymore, and here's why". He even claims that he is waiting to see how 1.2 does when released to see if playing again is an option for him.

Get off your high horse and "LISTEN".

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Lol, Actually i did read his post and his feedback is in fact very valid. I said so in my post. "LISTEN" works both ways!

But instead of trying to give BW this feedback, he's come onto the general forum, (not suggestions )and he's said he is quitting. I don't play anymore is the same as I quit.

And even though he says he is waiting on 1.2, he also said he does have high hopes for it, so he's already made his mind up.

OP is attention seeking, proven by the fact he hasn't actually tried to tell BW all this, only a group of poeple who are still playing the game(for the most).

Add to that the fact there are already a pile of "I quit" threads on this forum, why not post in one of those? is his opinion so important he needs a thread of his own? That's quite an ego if he thinks so.

So my high horse is perfectly fine, thank you.

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Drewser
02.20.2012 , 08:08 AM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Frostvein View Post
Can you post your specs then?

I just find a hard time believing I can't get over 60 FPS anywhere on my brand new machine.
That sounds odd.

I had a system built in Oct and I get between 70-100 FPS. Granted I don't PvP so that would likely be lower based on the comments here.

My system is an i7 3.4 GHz, Nvidia GTX 560 TI, 16 GB Ram - yeah overkill for a game but I need it for work.