Design decisions and why the game engine hurts TOR

Thanks for helping me make my point as both posts are mainly personal opinions and offers little worth, yet people love to run there mouth (or keyboard).

The OP's post is generally worthless as it does nothing but provide personal opinion and nothing much to fact.

When he does try to talk fact, he changes gears back to personal opinion or comparisons to WOW which offer nothing.

Ah! OK. So GW2 will run better on its engine because it's in beta...that's your excuse?

The facts are pointless. What is important is a vast well of negativity here on the forums, other gaming forums, and even in game.

In a population of millions, it is probably safe to assume that one person posting on the forums, with valid complaints and personal opinions, speaks for, at least, a hundred people, who likely share the same views.

Personal feelings and opinions have everything to do with it. That's what decides if people continue to subscribe.

I saw all this coming when they announced space combat on rails. I knew right then that this was going to be a letdown. Not just because space is on rails, it's because that one act told me that Bioware was not out to amaze or wow anyone with the game, they just wanted to tell their story and hope it was enough.

To be fair, SWTOR is one of the most ambitious RPG's ever made, but it just doesn't FEEL like an mmo.

another sword and board BORING!!!!!!! ok back to op

while i absolutely agree with the engine issues and there are tons of them they i am sure are spending a lot of time and effort on optimizing the game engine. there is no way in hell they arent. a quick and easy fix which is in every mmo i have ever played is the options to turn down or off particle effects. This alone would help. another HUGE issue is the constant system spam in all PvP instances. They are a huge source of lag and need to be turned off or options in preferences to turn the crap off. i dont need to know each time someone dies or is near a capture point.

for raid design they are what they are and i dont care who you are or what mmo you play they will always be the same. just learn the mechanics and have fun. and those that complain there isnt enough raid end game. give me a break even the megalopolis of mmos was super limited at launch.

They made poor choices and are workign them out. is it perfect nope and for any mmo its like that for a year or more in some cases. I am sure they will correct the issues and things will be greatly improved.

and for all those posting the newest rage of mmos its just the same old same sword and board bs. lame and already outdated before its released.

Not really since this is tiny percentage of the player base.

If all someone did was read the forums and never play a game, they would think every MMO was total crap with all kinds of problems like:

unbalanced classes
too hard
too easy
not enough content
Devs favor ______________ (Fill in faction, craft, class, etc...)
FPS sucks
game breaking bugs
leveling is too fast
leveling is too slow
rare gear drops too much
rare gear doesn't drop enough
character creation stinks
raids are boring
raids are too long
raids are too short

Is Tera a fail game? Maybe, it's not out yet. BUT even if it is, that is not the point. The point is it looks many times better then SWTOR, can handle more people around you better than SWTOR, and has better combat then SWTOR. Does that make an entire game? No.

The questing in Tera is ahem, Tera-ble. So what does that mean for this game engine argument? Nothing!

The engine running SWTOR is inferior graphics/performance wise when it comes to the Unreal 3 engine being used in Tera and Blade-n-soul. Even fanboys can not deny that based solely on a performance standpoint.

The facts are everything. Make up what you want in your own little head and it might apply to you, if your not lying to yourself cause you're one of those gamers that thinks its all about them. However, in the end when it's not the game thats broke but the self-entitled, "must have it all my way" gamers that are broke.

You say "vast well of negativity" of posts here on the forums as if it's not been proven, more people don't post that are having fun than the ones that claim to hate the game. So I say that Vast group of people you're talking about is really pretty small but they do like to yell to make themselves feel big.

Given the majority of reviews for the game (and that post is around here somewhere) this game is well received, played and enjoyed buy so much more people than you seem to think. I guess that reason is cause you read these forums as if people are honest or truthful and not just thinking of themselves or beyond what they dreamed of having VS what they got.

While I think that correlation to numbers might work I feel on most gaming forums it would be more like thousands to ONE odds.

I see thousands more enjoying the game to the few posts here that actually debate problems and not a self conceived problem that is really a personal want and not a real problem at all with the game.


To right but because everyone has them, making a massive post about how you want things on a personal level VS someone else that has a different personal opinion gets you nowhere and results in a post that brings nothing to the table. Just the OP's post.

It brings little if nothing to our table of contention/discussion cause I disagree with the majority of what he says.

Case in point: We are no longer talking about the drivel the OP posted but how opinions are viewed. When it's that easy to get off topic the OP's post is usually crap and didn't have enough weight to warrant discussion anyway.

Drew i personaly hope your right. honestly i do i hope that people do stick around so EA will release more funds to expand this game evolve its game play and make it better. But from playing multiple MMO's from launch and following the communities pre and post launch. the retention rate is going to be not so great.
Based on engine problems and shallow end game a good portion of MMO vets will not make the 90 day mark on subs. If you think tor is gonna retain those 1.7 million subs your very very hopeful. they sold over 2 million copies and with in 11 days form december 20th to december 31st over 400 k players spit this game out before they were even asked to put their credit card number in. with that said i dont hink TOR will be a failure not by a long shot but i do not see it retaining the Veteran MMO crowd and in all honesty those are the ones that sub for long cycles and dont churn in and out with the facebook generation of gamers.

I read every word of your post and just wanted to congratulate you on a very well written post and to politely ask you to get out of my head!!!!! Everything you have in there is exactly what I am thinking -

I HATE the armour design - after lvl 50 is sooo boring - I am on my 3rd alt and even that is getting boring - the performance issues are just awful (I too spent a lot of money on a new pc specifically for this game and I cant run it at its full capacity as the screen kept freezing up on me) - the social aspect is pretty much non existent - traveling is needlessly complicated - etc etc etc.

I fully agree with everything you have in here and I just hope its not too late and they manage to sort it out before they just decide to cut their losses and pull the plug - I doubt it will ever go f2p - I don't believe Lucas Arts would allow their brand to be devalued in this way.