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Sorcerers, seriously what the hell?

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Sorcerers, seriously what the hell?

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da_krall
02.23.2012 , 09:33 AM | #351
Quote: Originally Posted by endikux View Post
You all can claim sorcerers are balanced or underpowered all you want. Sight all the personal experiences that you like.

I don't new threads popping up every day about how OP operatives are. I do see threads every day about the sorcerer.

There isn't some giant conspiracy here. People don't go read a forum, see someone complain about the sorcerer, go back into the game and play against one, and then finally decided- "Oh my gosh! That forum post was totally right. Sorcerer is OP!"

Fact the reality. A huge majority of players think the sorcerer is overpowered. You can fight against that fact all you like but it's like yelling at a rain storm. People are going to play the game and encounter sorcerers with their own eyes. They will believe it because its real.
The reason you see lots of posts are that most the ****tards that come on the forums havent even gotten to 50 and have bad gear.

People on the forums moan because they get pissed off that the sorc escapes them in thwee 1-=49 bracket and they dont get their easy kill like they would of done on any other class they had just burst 8k in 3 seconds on.

Melee classes, that arent the gimped Operative, are so much more powerful. They do the same amount of damage, have the same amount of CC and live much much longer. People who try to claim sentinels are glass cannons really need to play a real glass cannon.

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Keldaur
02.23.2012 , 09:36 AM | #352
Quote: Originally Posted by islander View Post
Most CC? DPS spec sorcerers are high on the list but not alone. Rest of sorcs are lol, not close.

You know DPS spec is hybrid, right ?

Great AOE: Yes, although they aren't the only class with it - either archtype. More class archtypes have great AOE then don't.

No other class can compete on substained AOE DPS tho, mostly due to cooldowns and/or resource mechanichs.

Bubble: Check.

Heals: Every archtype but Warrior/Knight has access to heals of similar caliber.
Nup, that's why their healing is getting nerfed on 1.2
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Vales
02.23.2012 , 09:38 AM | #353
Quote: Originally Posted by Keldaur View Post
123char
Source of Sage/Sorc Healing getting nerfed?
This game needs more Kel Dor!

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Vales
02.23.2012 , 09:42 AM | #354
Quote: Originally Posted by endikux View Post
You all can claim sorcerers are balanced or underpowered all you want. Sight all the personal experiences that you like.

I don't new threads popping up every day about how OP operatives are. I do see threads every day about the sorcerer.

There isn't some giant conspiracy here. People don't go read a forum, see someone complain about the sorcerer, go back into the game and play against one, and then finally decided- "Oh my gosh! That forum post was totally right. Sorcerer is OP!"

Fact the reality. A huge majority of players think the sorcerer is overpowered. You can fight against that fact all you like but it's like yelling at a rain storm. People are going to play the game and encounter sorcerers with their own eyes. They will believe it because its real.
Reality:
Most QQers in this very forum are overall a extremly vocal minority and while I cannot provide numbers more than 15 years of gaming experience tell me that the vast majority of players is either bad or badly geared and in many cases even both.
Therefore what is real or not is not decided by the vocal subjective opinion of the few QQers around here but by real cold hard facts which BW has in the form of metrics.
This game needs more Kel Dor!

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Macsimus
02.23.2012 , 09:43 AM | #355
Quote: Originally Posted by GrandMike View Post
How much longer? have you done calcultions to see how getting 6 medals is opposed to getting 8 medals and in consideration to win-lose?

Most gear comes from dailies/weeklies which means winning (unless you kill trade on ilum)

And you can get 10 in "long perfect condition game"

Shadow can get 12-13 reliably. So, no, if you only care about medals sorc/sage is not way to go since tank will always get 2-3 medals more than you.
No a tank won't always get that many more medals than me. Sorcs can hit 12 medals in a match that lasts the full lenght so I'm not sure what you're talking about. I get 9 medals easy mode even in relatively short matches due to bubbles getting popped counting as healing and applying dots on everyone along with all the other massive aoes I have. It's actually the tanks that needs more time to hit that 13 medal mark. In a relatively short or medium time match, rarely will you see them get more medals than sorcs because they don't have enough time to get the extra medals for guarding and what not, while my aoe damage has me getting credit for damn near every kill happening in the match, and the damage to boot.

Healers getting 5-6 medals vs dps tanks getting 10 - 13 is a very big difference over very many games. Once you hit BM all your gear comes from dailies, but the grind up to BM, lots of your gear comes from the bags you buy.

Are you seriously trying to argue that a system that isn't stat tracked, doesn't allow full premades, and only gives gear as a reward isn't all about medals, when those gives you a boost to valor and coms which give you said reward.
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Macsimus
02.23.2012 , 09:54 AM | #356
Quote: Originally Posted by islander View Post
Most CC? DPS spec sorcerers are high on the list but not alone. Rest of sorcs are lol, not close.

Great AOE: Yes, although they aren't the only class with it - either archtype. More class archtypes have great AOE then don't.

Bubble: Check.

Heals: Every archtype but Warrior/Knight has access to heals of similar caliber.
DPS Sorcs have the most cc by a wide margin over any other class in the game if spec'd for it. That is a fact. They have amazing AOE, at least as good as any other classes. Single burst isn't the best, but they can dish out some nasty single target damage if you are spec'd for insta cast with hybrid spec. They have a great way to get away from people as well as get the ball across the line for the game that needs it. Friendly pull, etc. I'm a Sorc, and I rolled one because I wanted to get in on the fun too, and boy is it fun.

6 second lockout on my interupt
Bubble shield that blinds upon breaking
Aoe knock back that roots
Insta cast 8 second cc that when broken upon damage stuns target for 2 seconds.
4 second stun that does damage
6 second slow that does damage
Force lighting, 4 ticks of damage that slows while casting
Force speed to create distance
And myriad if aoe spells all of which can be channeled or insta casted with frequent procs.

P.S. Nerf Mercs and Power techs.
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Appletaz
02.23.2012 , 09:55 AM | #357
I have to laugh at myself and my indignation last night. I play a sorc, and I was so totally frustrated and mad because I was constantly CC'd and died so easily. My barrier hardly saves me for more than a second...

I wanted to come on here and make a thread about how come I can be pushed back all the way from the Huttball holder to the green goo then cc'd to stay there til I died, and there is no way my pushback can push things that far, and my CCs have a long cooldown, yet I can be multiple-CC'd and killed helplessly. I also don't know why someone on the frame across from the huttball center can target and hit me with their skills while my forced lightning is always stopped saying out of range...

Granted, I am no expert player and I didn't really start queueing up for warzones until I was 49, so my skills are right around mediocre and I expected to die. Just didn't think I could throw everything I've got at an opponent and have their health not even go to 99%.

I think there is something imbalanced. Another player's skill at playing their class, that is the way it should be and not limitations on my skill set that doesn't match theirs, whether that be "expertise" or range.

It's too bad there has to be such a disparity about range and expertise and such that the pvp battles are people with skills that are given in different combinations, but all skills have the same dimensions. Otherwise, there is always this screaming about one class being OP -- as I myself wanted to scream last night.

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Macsimus
02.23.2012 , 09:55 AM | #358
Quote: Originally Posted by Vales View Post
Source of Sage/Sorc Healing getting nerfed?
Yea, it's working far better than intended according to BW, and other healers are getting aoe healing buffs.
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Laalipop
02.23.2012 , 09:57 AM | #359
Quote: Originally Posted by Vales View Post
Source of Sage/Sorc Healing getting nerfed?
Not a nerf, a bug fix. Though most sorcs abused it to no end and it was causing more throughput than intended.

They're making Force Bending do what it is supposed to do and removing our ability to get a second fast Dark Infusion from it. It's whatever, if you used it as a crutch knowing that it's a bug it'll be your fault you won't do as well post 1.2.

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Phlyer
02.23.2012 , 10:05 AM | #360
Quote: Originally Posted by endikux View Post
I don't new threads popping up every day about how OP operatives are. I do see threads every day about the sorcerer.
That's cause they've all re-rolled Sorc's. There are no FotM classes only FotM players.

Also complaining about lighting spam is kinda silly considering, it's the most easy attack in game there is to see (giant purple freaking lighting). Not to mention they all look relatively the same. Dot's don't really show any kind of animation until they hit other than a hand wave. The light saber is pretty much just for show. And if you're healing spec'd you have all of 3 ranged attacks till the mid 30's, force lighting and lighting bolt (forgot about shock). So people complaining about lighting spam is about as silly and pointless as complaining about classes that use guns and seeing too many shots flying around. Or melee classes swinging their sabers too much.

People will indeed jump on the complain-train, first it was ops, now it's sorc's next it will be something else, then onto something different, until all classes get nerfed into oblivion and then they'll all ***** about how unfun and boring the combat is, or that it takes a year to kill anyone. I've played as and against all the classes, each one has it's good and bad points, none of which are OP just some are better at farming medals in WZ's than others so people *****. But hey, by all means, continue to complain on the forums. If you do feel the need to complain, complain about the fact that you can shoot lighting bolts from your fingertips by level 2 but can't run until level 14.