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Sorcerers, seriously what the hell?

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Sorcerers, seriously what the hell?

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pairadox
02.23.2012 , 06:21 AM | #321
Quote: Originally Posted by BadgerFett View Post
Why so many people in online games prefer to faceroll their face off than achieve something with a little bit of skill? Almost every WZ i enter there are like 6-8 inquisitors in one team. I cant even see map cuz everything is purple, so many stupid lightnings. I never get that, why ppl roll classes that are easy and for newbs, just like ret palas in wotlk, just like frost mages now. Please BW nerf sorcerers. Sick damage, like 3 imbollizes, stun, bubble, bubble-blind, healz, sprint, constant channeled slow, knockbacks. I mean it, what the...? I just was in WZ where total number of players were 16, and there were 13 inquisitors... PvP in SWTOR isn't cool anyway, but sorcerers make it even worse. Please do something about it because this is riddicolous. See ya peeps and may the force be with You.
Interesting.
I see pub teams stacked with healers/grav spammers, far more often than I see sorc stacked teams.

So here are my choices.

1) I can play a tracer spam character. (much like your grav spammers.) fun fun fun. That takes really skill. Just one button your way to success.

2) Ooo. I could make a juggernaut whos one trick is slam. 9k damage to everything in sight, as a pbaoe. Another one button my way to success.

3) Or I could choose the class that was nerfed into next week, so I could be an underperforming healer, or subpar dps, and an intelligence check on the rest of humanity.



I think a better question you could have asked is...

Hey BIOWARE, when you going to get around to fixing some of this so other classes are actually fun to play?
Either you work with me, or I shoot you in the face.

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Nezis
02.23.2012 , 06:33 AM | #322
I have played a Jugg to 49 and a Shadow to 35 and now I'm leveling a Sage...and I can say ranged definitely has the advantage.

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Malloron
02.23.2012 , 06:51 AM | #323
Quote: Originally Posted by Desgarden View Post
besides the many reasons already mentioned why sorcs are insanely good, the main reason for me is their resource mechanic.

Take BHs and especially snipers for a comparision: they go all out - and gets punished for it. In case of the sniper the punishment (very slow energy regeneration, the lower the energy level) that he is sometimes better of if he dies.

Now, what happens to a sorc if he goes all out? Nothing. Actually I cannot remember having seen a sorc run out of force.

This forgiving energy mechanic plus the sick cc and utility makes the sorcs next to idiot-proof to play.
This.

THis is an extremely important point that alot of people seem to miss.

Tracer missile is a powerful ability. You can cast it three times.

I realise it is hard to do, but since the resource mechanic is so different between the classes, the class that starts with 100% resource and works its way down to zero (and has a poor regen mechanic in combat) needs to be balanced by its Cooldowns.

2 Abilities can share a CD, for example, and make the COoldown shorter.

If you have 2 abilities on a 45 sec timer, you can chain them. Bubble sprint.

If both are on the same shared 30 sec CD, you need to choose.

WHat I think this game doesnt have is a bit of the old "Hybrid tax". If one class speccs into healing - Give great healing. If you specc into healing/dps, you either need to put the real carrot talents up top or demand 31 points in one tree before you can start filling another. Putting awesome-talents around 20 doesnt work. Playstyle me all you want, but this is too much of a kick in the nuts for those few pure class classes.

Right now, A Sorc/Sage is very powerful if he blows all his CDs and bursts someone down/uses his resources in Huttbal for example. If 1 team plays well, gets the ball and has 3 well played sorcs/sages (And it really isnt that hard..) they can score in what 12 seconds?

I play Commando healer and Sentinel. As a Commando Medic, it is extremely frustrating to see Sages/sorcs do 150% of my healing and 200% of my damage done. That is not unusual. And I AM actually a skilled healer.

As a Sentinel, I dont see Sorcs/sage as hilariously OP in 1v1, but if I dont have my CDs Im toast. Fast. Which is fine. Sentinel is supposed to be a glass cannon. I do think Sorcs/sage has a bit too many tools when you ADD the stupid amount of healing/damage resources.

COmmando - No interrupt, No sprint or Pull.
Sentinel - No knockback - Puny Sprint - No pull/sprint - No option to specc into healing...
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khajak
02.23.2012 , 07:04 AM | #324
Quote: Originally Posted by Tsubodia View Post
it actually takes a lot of skill to play a sorc well. a good sorc doesnt just derp and get top on everything so stop talking out your backside. Seems to bee too much of this "sorcs are so easy to win with" mentality by people who have never played them or people who allow them to stand and freecast all game then cry when they top damage from free spam aoeing all game.

game most imbalaned? your completely clueless then. you clearly havnt played any other mmo in your life.
Imbalanced against melee? stop being bad and go watch some GOOD melee dps players rip **** up.

lets put 3 sorcs vs 3 marauders in a pit and see who wins. i can guarantee it wont be the sorc

OFC leveling pvp with a ranged dps is is easier. youve gone form a class designed to tank to a class built around utility. *** did you expect to happen?

thats like saying i used to play a rogue in wow.. then i played a shadow priest and it was much easyer.

maybee you should stop being bad before posting crap.


and DO WE REALLY NEED YET ANOTHER BLODY THREAD ON THIS! there is already about 4000 of them post in one of them already and stop filling the screen with pointless qq


I roll a lvl 50 BM Marauder with almost full bm gear. Besides the healing aspects of a good geared sorc. i just demolish them in lvl 50 pvp. the dps ones are actually kind of weak and i believe they need to be buffed. the ones that heal on the other hand. it takes a loooooong time to down them if they are geared. sorcs in lvl 10-49 pvp are pretty powerful. in numbers. i also have a really super geared merc in mostly epics and i will devistate a sorc any day 1 vs 1. thier bubble is a joke because one tracer round will eat that. then just unload. stun. spam tracer. heat seeking missles. they are sprinting from me not towards me. i have been in a wz with 5 bhs on my team and we ended up spawn camping them because you dont want to face bhs vs sorcs. . anyways. get gear and learn your class. thats what pvp is for imo. if yer still upset. roll a sorc then.

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khajak
02.23.2012 , 07:14 AM | #325
Quote: Originally Posted by Tsubodia View Post
it actually takes a lot of skill to play a sorc well. a good sorc doesnt just derp and get top on everything so stop talking out your backside. Seems to bee too much of this "sorcs are so easy to win with" mentality by people who have never played them or people who allow them to stand and freecast all game then cry when they top damage from free spam aoeing all game.

game most imbalaned? your completely clueless then. you clearly havnt played any other mmo in your life.
Imbalanced against melee? stop being bad and go watch some GOOD melee dps players rip **** up.

lets put 3 sorcs vs 3 marauders in a pit and see who wins. i can guarantee it wont be the sorc

OFC leveling pvp with a ranged dps is is easier. youve gone form a class designed to tank to a class built around utility. *** did you expect to happen?

thats like saying i used to play a rogue in wow.. then i played a shadow priest and it was much easyer.

maybee you should stop being bad before posting crap.


and DO WE REALLY NEED YET ANOTHER BLODY THREAD ON THIS! there is already about 4000 of them post in one of them already and stop filling the screen with pointless qq


I roll a lvl 50 BM Marauder with almost full bm gear. Besides the healing aspects of a good geared sorc. i just demolish them in lvl 50 pvp. the dps ones are actually kind of weak and i believe they need to be buffed. the ones that heal on the other hand. it takes a loooooong time to down them if they are geared. sorcs in lvl 10-49 pvp are pretty powerful. in numbers. i also have a really super geared merc in mostly epics and i will devistate a sorc any day 1 vs 1. thier bubble is a joke because one tracer round will eat that. then just unload. stun. spam tracer. heat seeking missles. they are sprinting from me not towards me. i have been in a wz with 5 bhs on my team and we ended up spawn camping them because you dont want to face bhs vs sorcs. . anyways. get gear and learn your class. thats what pvp is for imo. if yer still upset. roll a sorc then.

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da_krall
02.23.2012 , 07:34 AM | #326
Quote: Originally Posted by Malloron View Post

COmmando - No interrupt, No sprint or Pull.
Sentinel - No knockback - Puny Sprint - No pull/sprint - No option to specc into healing...
Sorc - no leap, no pull, no heavy armour, no burst damage, half single target damage of other classes, no defensive CDs.

Oh look all classes have strenghts and weaknesses, L2P..........................seriously all the noobs playing sentinels who claim they are the hardest class to play - get over yourselves, Sentinel = ezmode.

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BDutch
02.23.2012 , 07:43 AM | #327
Depending on the timing, if you get a back-to-back shield, absorbing 6k can ruin your day. The debuff should start after the bubble drops, and the debuff duration should be shortened a bit to compensate.
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Infighter
02.23.2012 , 07:46 AM | #328
I will never understand why people believe that Sorcs and Mercs are overpowered... I just don't. Is it because they are popular and everywhere? That doesn't make a class OP.

The only thing overpowered about Sorcs right now is the utility they gain by speccing hybrid without losing much damage. Aside from that? Easily killable.

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LenrocNewDawn
02.23.2012 , 08:07 AM | #329
If I see one Sorc in the other team I say to myself (slinger) "That's my target". If I see 2 Sorcs in the other team I say "Damn, this is going to be hard". If I see 3 or more I say "Oh snap" (don't really say snap). A triad of sorcs has infinite dps/infinite hp while any other combination has infinite dps/ finite hp over time (except maybe a combo of Sages). Maybe I exaggerate a bit but .... just a bit. Anyway I've seen so many warzones where Sorcs dominate the end ladder if you sort that after damage that it isn't funny anymore.

Cheers, Lenroc!
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islander
02.23.2012 , 08:10 AM | #330
Quote: Originally Posted by Aylisis View Post
Ha, Everyone complains about sorc. If you went against a team of 5 bh's trust me you would be crying here even more.
This.
Or a bunch of operatives.

It's just there are so many sorcerers (all specs combined) that they see the most QQing.

People are just crying about sucking, that's all. PvP is pretty hard.
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