Sorcerers, seriously what the hell?

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Sorcerers, seriously what the hell?

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Elysion

02.21.2012 , 09:15 AM \| #231	Quote
Sorcs get 1. One of the better looking pvp sets 2. THEY SHOOT LIGHTENING OUT OF THEIR FINGERS ZOMG 3. Are space wizards 4. Have a lightsaber and therefore can show off their rare color crystals easily There is already no downside and we arent even talking about gameplay. In truth sorcs are not overpowered. They are easy to play 'reasonably well' so a bad sorc is more of a threat than a bad something else, but i think their popularity comes more from shooting lightening at people than anything else. I mean, ive had to resist the temptation myself, because being a space wizard is appealing.

biowareftw

02.21.2012 , 09:17 AM \| #232	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by me_unknown no they are complaining about a calss that if it stands still dies in seconds but must use "faceroll" to kite and cc others to survive long enough to kill them with the LOWEST damage of all classes. they say taht's why it is the easiest class. actually i think the "easiest" is because in a pug WZ it is easy to earn medals because like any range class you can stand aside spamming, while the usual pug morons never decide to drag you into the zerg nor come to you. yes, sage is easiest to be ignored by fools. => faceroll class Actually when you do focus fire a sage/sorc you are autokited on the way to the target, knockedbacked, automezzed when shield breaks, ranged stunned, instant cast CC'd, ranged slow. Then they sprint away, heal to full behind a pole and start all over again. If you chase them down? You hurt your team. THAT is why "morons" as you call them don't focus fire them. If I focus fire a BH/Merc? They have less CC, die a whole hell of a lot quicker outside a long bubble, you can completely shut down their dps, and they don't get away with force sprint to extend the fight even longer. The hybrid specced sorc/sage isn't balanced. They need to give up survival/CC or dmg/range and the ability to escape. You can't have all of the above.
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biowareftw

02.21.2012 , 09:19 AM \| #233	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Elysion Sorcs get 1. One of the better looking pvp sets 2. THEY SHOOT LIGHTENING OUT OF THEIR FINGERS ZOMG 3. Are space wizards 4. Have a lightsaber and therefore can show off their rare color crystals easily There is already no downside and we arent even talking about gameplay. In truth sorcs are not overpowered. They are easy to play 'reasonably well' so a bad sorc is more of a threat than a bad something else, but i think their popularity comes more from shooting lightening at people than anything else. I mean, ive had to resist the temptation myself, because being a space wizard is appealing. Fail. Sages are being rerolled to as much as sorc. It has to do with the hybrid spec being stupidly OP, not lightning...BTW everyone hates the sage storyline compared to other classes. Worst storyline I beta tested to be honest... Oh as far as lightning? Elemental shamans were the least played caster spec in WoW. Why? They sucked at pvp. They shot lightning, fireballs AND could turn into a freakin wolf. Why didn't people play them? PvP.
Einstein's relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king... its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists.- Nikola Tesla - New York Times (11 July 1935)

Elysion

02.21.2012 , 09:20 AM \| #234	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by savionen Sage/Sorc can still have 17k~ hp just like everyone else. The only ones that have more than 17k-ish are people in full-tank gear. Light Armor - 17-20% Medium Armor - 23-26% Heavy Armor - 27-29% It's not a huge difference, really. Static Barrier blocks 3500 damage every 20 seconds, thats a lot more than 10% kinetic/energy damage reduction. Going from 20% to 30% is 14.3% less damage

Jenrais

02.21.2012 , 09:22 AM \| #235	Quote
Omg Call the waaaaambuuullaaaance Interrupt their heals....Purge their dots...And what do you have...Their static barrier which can be broken in one good hit..and than we are squishy Marauders can demolish them with 50 interrupts and huge spike damage lets all qq about that class now
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savionen

02.21.2012 , 09:24 AM \| #236	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Elysion Going from 20% to 30% is 14.3% less damage I was stating the actual number difference. A lot of people act like Light Armor is 15% and Heavy Armor is 40% for non-tanks. Static Barrier is still greatly superior. 3500 damage blocked. You'd have to take like 28k kinetic/energy damage over 20 seconds in order for Heavy Armor to be better. Sorcerer/Sages are NOT squishy. They've got the most mobility/CC of all ranged classes, and just as good or better defenses because of static barrier, on top of being able to off-heal while LoSing.

GrandMike

02.21.2012 , 09:24 AM \| #237	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by biowareftw The only dps class that has more health then others is... Classes with an endurance talent, which people usually skip anyways for dmg. The stam is the same on all dps gear. Armor means jack because most pvp specs have dmg that negates armor...I kill sent/marauders just as fast when they don't have rebuke up. A dps guardian/juggernaut is the "squishiest class in this game". Outside of their 3 min cooldown they can die in seconds. They wear heavy armor. I kill them on my marauder/sent in seconds... A hybrid spec sage/sorc is the most non squishy class in this game. The only people who would make this claim never played another class. The "less health" comment is just silly. This isn't vanilla WoW where you have "spirit" on your gear instead of stamina. As far as talking about merc/commandos? Why would you belittle the easiest playstyle in the game when you play the second easiest class in the game... Everyone who plays another class and has tried merc/commando/sage/sorc thinks both your AC's are a joke and that they were put in the game so that bad players could compete in pvp. BTW merc/commando isn't OP. Hybrid specced sorc/sage is. At least have some clue what you are talking about before you call the hardest to kill (not that it can't be done) or hardest dps class to focus down "squishy". They could take away the sprint and the class would still not be "squishy". They would just be focus fired easier... Theres a talent on sorc/sage trees that let em bypass armor? WoW, please point me to it. You cut trough everything like butter with marauder/sentinel. Nerf incoming. My guildy tank/DPS shadow has 24k health. Youre wrong there too. Sage/sorc IS most squishy class ingame. Hybrid or not. If bad players beat you in pvp, regardless of class, what that makes you? Pro? Good players have learned to expect and prevent sprint. Theres a myriad of skills that ignore resolve bar (none on hybrid sorc though). L2P So ill give you firendly advice: L2P Quote: Originally Posted by savionen Sage/Sorc can still have 17k~ hp just like everyone else. The only ones that have more than 17k-ish are people in full-tank gear. It's not a huge difference, really. Static Barrier blocks 3500 damage every 20 seconds, thats a lot more than 10% kinetic/energy damage reduction. I have 16k helath in full BM gear. So.... Quote: Originally Posted by biowareftw Fail. Sages are being rerolled to as much as sorc. It has to do with the hybrid spec being stupidly OP, not lightning...BTW everyone hates the sage storyline compared to other classes. Worst storyline I beta tested to be honest... Oh as far as lightning? Elemental shamans were the least played caster spec in WoW. Why? They sucked at pvp. They shot lightning, fireballs AND could turn into a freakin wolf. Why didn't people play them? PvP. News flash: everyone and their aunt is rerolling marauder/sentinel. Juts play some lowbie WZ lol.

Elysion

02.21.2012 , 09:25 AM \| #238	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by biowareftw Fail. Sages are being rerolled to as much as sorc. It has to do with the hybrid spec being stupidly OP, not lightning...BTW everyone hates the sage storyline compared to other classes. Worst storyline I beta tested to be honest... Oh as far as lightning? Elemental shamans were the least played caster spec in WoW. Why? They sucked at pvp. They shot lightning, fireballs AND could turn into a freakin wolf. Why didn't people play them? PvP. Because: 1. Cow people are stupid looking 2. Turning into a wolf is stupid People roll sages because they listen to the forums who claim sorce/sage is op. This whole fotm thing started from people complaining about sorcs. They complained about sorcs because it was usually a sorc that killed them. It was usually a sorc that killed them because there were a LOT of sorcs. There were a lot of sorcs because they are space wizards who shoot lightening out of their fingers. Sorcs are one of the easiest classess to kill if you are either ranged yourself or have a snare. Just dont max out their resolve bar and save a stun for when they force speed and they cannot escape. Not maxing out their resolve bar at the start of the fight like an idiot is key, but then thats key to being successful in this games pvp in general.

me_unknown

02.21.2012 , 09:28 AM \| #239	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by biowareftw Fail. Sages are being rerolled to as much as sorc. It has to do with the hybrid spec being stupidly OP, not lightning...BTW everyone hates the sage storyline compared to other classes. Worst storyline I beta tested to be honest... Oh as far as lightning? Elemental shamans were the least played caster spec in WoW. Why? They sucked at pvp. They shot lightning, fireballs AND could turn into a freakin wolf. Why didn't people play them? PvP. hybrid is not op. please tell me what makes hybrid so op over the other builds. actually it is the only build not being UNDERPOWERED! it is the only one allowing the sage being viable in grps and solo. if you think you get that more cc with hybrid, please do your homework and compare the pure builds with it. YOU DON'T!!! hybrid is the only one letting you being sowhat mobile while having the "burst" (it is pathetic saying sages to have burst) of the middle tree. you can have fun with each of the pure builds in pug pvp. but they are bad as soon as you have to defend yourself. i'm talking about level 50 pvp with good gear. don't argue that you get owned by sorcs in <=49 pvp.

me_unknown

02.21.2012 , 09:29 AM \| #240	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Elysion People roll sages because they listen to the forums who claim sorce/sage is op. this and because they saw a few good players using their utilities to own noobs. and they think it is enough to play sorc to do the same.

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