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Attacking republic in Open World is griefing?

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Attacking republic in Open World is griefing?

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Zekeiele
02.19.2012 , 05:42 AM | #241
Quote: Originally Posted by eklipzze View Post
Yeah and open pvp is actually pretty mild on this game. These people wouldn't have lasted five seconds on one of DAOC's pvp servers, where anyone can attack anyone else literally anywhere in the game world. lulz

PVP servers are supposed to be hardcore not carebear.
UO was completely open world PVP and you would lose everything on your character when you died..every game after UO was "carebear" with the exception of Shadowbane but it sucked for other reasons...the difference in UO was 9 times out of 10 the fight was evenly matched so you had to have BALLS to try and be a greifer...unlike modern MMOs were that "style" <--(whatever) can be played with no consequences.

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Jestunhi
02.19.2012 , 05:45 AM | #242
Quote: Originally Posted by ApotheosisLanyx View Post
This is hilarious. How could anyone possibly defend them getting in a warning for ganking? Pretty sure I read this somewhere "griefing does not constitute anything that can be resolved through pvp" in the rulebook. Rep should have been better and killed them and handled the boss. You guys wouldn't have lasted for two seconds on Valon Zek. Pathetic
The rules of conduct state:

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Harassment Policy

Our goal is to build a strong community that offers a comfortable atmosphere for all of our players. This means seeing that players have the ability to combat antisocial behavior

Harassment consists of misuse and/or abuse of game mechanics and verbal harassment with the intention of distressing and offending other players. Game mechanics allow players to interact with the world and each other. For example, the ability to block a doorway is a game mechanic. Use of game mechanics like these is by no means considered harassment in and of itself. The key to determining whether the mechanic is being misused or abused is to determine "intent." Reported incidents are not considered harassment until it is determined by the SWTOR CS that it was done to intentionally to cause distress or to offend other players.

Harassment is also any behavior that is incessant, inescapable, derogatory and directed specifically at you or your group. Before reporting, a genuine attempt to alleviate the situation should be made by leaving the area or the offending player, or asking them politely to stop. If a sincere attempt has been made to solve the problem and the offending player persists in the behavior, it should be reported.

Behavior that is always considered harassment includes derogatory and/or hateful comments that are sexual, racist, religious, or related to gender or creed.

A judgment of valid harassment can result in penalties placed on the harassing party up to and including immediate account closure, based on the severity of harassment and the player's past account history.

Player versus Player (“PvP”) activities, where available, are not exempt from this policy.
This is the opposite of the message given by the pvp server itself.

One of them has to be wrong, but we don't know which one.


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Source: http://www.swtor.com/legalnotices/rulesofconduct
Quote: Originally Posted by AlyxDinas View Post
Jestunhi's responses might be just about the the most asinine and pigheaded responses I've ever read on a forum.

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eklipzze
02.19.2012 , 05:46 AM | #243
Quote: Originally Posted by Zekeiele View Post
UO was completely open world PVP and you would lose everything on your character when you died..every game after UO was "carebear" with the exception of Shadowbane but it sucked for other reasons...the difference in UO was 9 times out of 10 the fight was evenly matched so you had to have BALLS to try and be a greifer...unlike modern MMOs were that "style" <--(whatever) can be played with no consequences.
Never played that one but I heard about it often. Sounds pretty much like the DAOC pvp servers. I just didn't care for the ancient graphic style on that game.

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Dayfax
02.19.2012 , 05:48 AM | #244
Quote: Originally Posted by Metalmac View Post
That would be called GREIFING and you get banned or punishment for it.
You can't be serious. What do you think PvP is?

What the Imps did was underhanded and lame, but it absolutely shouldn't be against any rules.
"Sounds like you could use a soldier."

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Zekeiele
02.19.2012 , 05:55 AM | #245
Quote: Originally Posted by eklipzze View Post
Never played that one but I heard about it often. Sounds pretty much like the DAOC pvp servers. I just didn't care for the ancient graphic style on that game.
It was fun and I miss it...this game has a lot of issues that promote or allow true grief play IE if you get Rez camped you have no out... its not like you can choose to do anything other than respawn at the med center and if you have a bunch of high levels chain killing you what's your recourse? Log off or keep letting them kill you over and over?? Very bad mechanic in open world PVP.

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Kesrik
02.19.2012 , 06:04 AM | #246
Actually, there is no way that he received a warning for doing this. PvP servers specifically state that situations that can be resolved via PvP are not considered griefing. Can't kill a World Boss because the opposite faction is killing you? There is a PvP solution to your problem!
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Jestunhi
02.19.2012 , 06:05 AM | #247
Quote: Originally Posted by Kesrik View Post
Actually, there is no way that he received a warning for doing this. PvP servers specifically state that situations that can be resolved via PvP are not considered griefing. Can't kill a World Boss because the opposite faction is killing you? There is a PvP solution to your problem!
And the rules of conduct specifically state the opposite.

Both can't be right and your assumption which one is correct is just that, an assumption.
Quote: Originally Posted by AlyxDinas View Post
Jestunhi's responses might be just about the the most asinine and pigheaded responses I've ever read on a forum.

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Spiderbubble
02.19.2012 , 06:06 AM | #248
That's pretty dumb and that should definitely never happen.

Open world PvP is a fun aspect, and it should be rewarded MORE if anything.


Hell, I'm on a PvP server, and the first time I saw a Republican Shadow, he jumped me from stealth at half health somewhere on... Tatooine was it? (Surprised I never saw anyone before then, actually). I barely beat him simply through outplaying him and kiting between cooldowns (as a Marauder, no less) but with a healing companion healing me every now and then as I kited. It was hard, but it was amazingly fun. It's saddening that these kinds of things are now being discouraged.


Why even play a PvP server now? We're being told not to do it? Sounds like there's no reason to have a distinction between PvE and PvP servers then....

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Orsian
02.19.2012 , 06:09 AM | #249
I think the griefing aspect came into it when you guys kept tagging the boss and not defeating it. That, spawn camping, does count as griefing. Just my .02 creds on the subject.

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eklipzze
02.19.2012 , 06:10 AM | #250
Quote: Originally Posted by Zekeiele View Post
It was fun and I miss it...this game has a lot of issues that promote or allow true grief play IE if you get Rez camped you have no out... its not like you can choose to do anything other than respawn at the med center and if you have a bunch of high levels chain killing you what's your recourse? Log off or keep letting them kill you over and over?? Very bad mechanic in open world PVP.
Well I have never been camped at a medcenter but I have had something similar happen on a couple other MMO games. Personally I think anything goes on a PVP server and I'm not above occasionally killing lowbies or getting together gank groups but I do think camping a med center is pretty cheap. I doubt I would do that unless someone did it to me first. I think that issue is easy to solve though. Put some lvl 50 guards around each med center or somethign else to deter campers.