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Give us a "non Expertise Warzone Bracket" please

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Give us a "non Expertise Warzone Bracket" please

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Zlashie
02.17.2012 , 05:49 PM | #21
I wonder why people assume my post is QQ and that I am a undergeared newly dinged 50 who is crying about getting roflstomped. Not at all.

I had a subjective opinion and I came to the forums hoping to discuss it. Am I 100% settled on my opinion? not at all. On page1 somone pointed out that the healthpool of newly dinged and rakata geared are very different and thus I agreed the suggestion I made was not so good to begin with.

I do still however wish for a warzone for PvE'rs were we can goof around. It could be a rewardless warzone which only has one purpose: fun between PvE geared people.

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Internicio
02.17.2012 , 05:53 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Zlashie View Post
I wonder why people assume my post is QQ and that I am a undergeared newly dinged 50 who is crying about getting roflstomped. Not at all.

I had a subjective opinion and I came to the forums hoping to discuss it. Am I 100% settled on my opinion? not at all. On page1 somone pointed out that the healthpool of newly dinged and rakata geared are very different and thus I agreed the suggestion I made was not so good to begin with.

I do still however wish for a warzone for PvE'rs were we can goof around. It could be a rewardless warzone which only has one purpose: fun between PvE geared people.
why not make the pvp gear equal to the raid gear then (and remove expertise in that way)
instead of making pvp gear worse than raid gear?

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Zlashie
02.17.2012 , 05:53 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Internicio View Post
oh, so that does look like it...you would like to have your pve gear create an advantage for you in pvp?
I have played alot of games over the years. I have played MMORPGs for over 8 years. I have enjoyed online gaming for 12 years.

For me this resillience / expertise thing is not fun. It does not make player versus player combat fun for me. That is a subjective opinion.

I fully understand that it may sound like this is what I am asking for.

If they could balance out a warzone to co-exist with no gear differences, only your class and thats it, I would be up for it 100%, however I could see some issues knowing that people have geared for certain stats. Unless they auto config mods to appear as Value 50 with Armoring 126 for everyone who joins.

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Zlashie
02.17.2012 , 05:56 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Internicio View Post
why not make the pvp gear equal to the raid gear then (and remove expertise in that way)
instead of making pvp gear worse than raid gear?
(Read the OP, I actually wrote that my previous suggestion was this)

I actually had a long thread about this exact thing about 1 year ago on these forums. I wanted to disclude resillience/expertise like stats from the game and make a united set of gearing for all aspects of the game so that gearing up ment progression in the game and you could participate in any kind of activity as you want.

But I got roflstomped by people who claimed the only right way to make an MMORPG is to divide pve and pvp.

I still believe going with expertise was stupid. Blizzard added resillience as a bandage on their failed pve vs pvp balance. the fact that dps just got higher damage values and bosses only got higher healthpools mens that people could 3shot eachother by the end of vanilla: So they took the easy road and created resillience.

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mordredz
02.17.2012 , 06:07 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Zlashie View Post
Can we please stop this disrespectful tone? Im far from whining, I suggested an opinion based on subjective experience on a forum where it could be discussed.

I will add that i see the problems between newly dinged and rakata are far greater than the ones I had considered myself as I had only considered a few things myself. Being a dps I only considered the difference between the stats which I focus and not the healthpool. The healthpool does indeed make it a big difference.

Personally I am asking for a place I can pvp with/against pve geared people. They can make it a non-rewardable zone, where the only thing you get out of it is lulz. I dont pvp for gear, I pvp for fun
Then stop posting nonsense and drawing ppl to do so, you will get this no matter what you do while posting crap like this, move on...

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Aroidan
02.17.2012 , 06:07 PM | #26
To the people saying that gearing up is fairly easy I agree with you. The problem though still is that while it may be easy and not take much time it feels like a grind and the entire process is not very fun. Someimtes it will take me 10-15 warzones to get the 3 wins needed for the daily. All the while I am consistently getting killed and not being able to kill the opposition simply because of the gear difference. It isn't a fun experience.

PVE gear grind is not the same because you have a stable progression of gear that you can Win at each level. In other words yeah it might take me longer to get the Rakata gear but the time I spend doing that is much more enjoyable because I am not getting my *** handed to me at every corner while doing it.

I have currently stopped playing my 50 and am rolling alts and taking my time leveling them. Hopefully by the time they hit 50 all of this will be sorted out and PvP will be enjoyable for fresh 50's.

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Moosestick
02.17.2012 , 06:16 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Aroidan View Post
To the people saying that gearing up is fairly easy I agree with you. The problem though still is that while it may be easy and not take much time it feels like a grind and the entire process is not very fun. Someimtes it will take me 10-15 warzones to get the 3 wins needed for the daily. All the while I am consistently getting killed and not being able to kill the opposition simply because of the gear difference. It isn't a fun experience.

PVE gear grind is not the same because you have a stable progression of gear that you can Win at each level. In other words yeah it might take me longer to get the Rakata gear but the time I spend doing that is much more enjoyable because I am not getting my *** handed to me at every corner while doing it.

I have currently stopped playing my 50 and am rolling alts and taking my time leveling them. Hopefully by the time they hit 50 all of this will be sorted out and PvP will be enjoyable for fresh 50's.
Takes 1-2 days to get full cent gear and be competitive with the best of them. You not being able to kill someone boils down to them being better players, or you being worse.

Sounds like you shouldnt pvp. PVE your way to gear that is argueably better than the best pvp gear.

Again, fresh 50 pvp is annoying for the 1-2 days it takes you to complete the weekly. Then you will be sitting ~500 expertise and similar stats to champ gear.

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TipsyDrow
02.17.2012 , 06:29 PM | #28
I have only been pvping since lvl 44 on my guardian which is now 50. lvl 44-49 gave me time to learn the different games (matches) tactics people use and such. Upon dinging 50 how ever that's when the real learning curve came into play. I wouldn't want it to change and here's why. While a fresh lvl 50 is gonna get pounded into the ground by better geared players it should do a few things for you. I say should, because some people don't like it hard, but I digress. What it did for me was build a little character. Made me, forced me to learn to play faster and better. While I was slowly getting better at pvp tactics and mechanics, learning how others fight both allies and enemies I was also gaining gear piece by piece. The progression of learning to play and gaining gear at the rate it is now seems more beneficial then anything to me. I now have full centurian with a champ chest piece am at 450 expertise and I compete ok. Still get face rolled by better players and better geared plpayers but that to me is only incentive to get even better with my chosen class and to keep at it for the gear as well. I wouldn't want pvp to be easy with a fresh 50. I don't want everything handed to me on a flippin silver platter. I WANT to work for what i get. So no.....leave pvp as it is. Thank you.

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azmundai
02.17.2012 , 06:34 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Zlashie View Post
Hello

Not going to make a long and detailed post about this because it will end up with battlemasters telling me everyone who complains about expertise are bad pvpers.

So il get right to it.

Im tired of pvping being a preset match about "who got the most expertise". I allready played wow for 7 years, I dont need to experience this gear wheel one more damn time.

Normally I would ask for expertise to be removed but some pvp'ers believe its perfectly fine to divide pve and pvp into two groups insted of just being one united happy family.

But since that is subjective Im going to ask for the "in between" option: Simply give us a bracket which is for non expertise users. It should be created as such that expertise value equals 0 in this match so that people without expertise can have fun as well.

The thing is, the difference between a newly dinged 50 and a rakata geared 50 is average iLvl 124 vs average iLvl 140 which is not such a huge difference however when a newly dinged 50 goes in with his iLvl 124 against a 600 expertise battlemaster who has iLvl 140 its pretty much an arrow to the knee.

This should make everyone happy. The expertise bracket will be competetive for users who did their thing and the non expertise bracket will be a happy place for those of us who hate the fact that game devs divide the game into "groups" depending on what gear you wear.

I can only find 2 disadvantages to this and that is:
- Longer queues HOWEVER Bioware said they would add cross server pvp so this is no problem.
- Battlemasters can no longer feel like gods just because they have lots of expertise


And here are the advantages
- No more QQ about Expertise being OP
- Much Less problems for a newly dinged 50 to go into pvp
- PvE'rs can enjoy warzones without having to ask themselves "am I a reliability to my group, without expertise?"
- Seperating expertise should give more competetive warzones as well, and not a game of "who has most expertise"

you will have teams of rakata geared imps rolling you just like the BM imp groups roll you now.
x-server lfd tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.

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daiddu
02.17.2012 , 06:47 PM | #30
one thing you could try is roll an alt and play in the 10-49 bracket. There is virtually no gear issue with that group. You could still play pvp warfronts for fun and once you hit 50 from pvp exp, just roll again.