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The reason I love being able to leave WZs with no penalty

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The reason I love being able to leave WZs with no penalty

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damolawler
02.17.2012 , 09:12 AM | #291
Quote: Originally Posted by Metallistic View Post
This describes every pretentious, spineless WZ quitter.

+1 For the truth.
Another +1 for me.

The PvP in this game is bad enough as it is, without selfish quitters/griefers making it even worse.

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damolawler
02.17.2012 , 09:16 AM | #292
Quote: Originally Posted by Celebrus View Post
Take it to your damn pillow at night instead of bringing it here.

1. This is a video game, it's a luxury item that we all pay for, if we want the right to leave a game that we view as either a loss (that we may not have even contributed to if we joined after SOMEONE ELSE LEFT) or possibly even with people that insult/harass us or others. We shouldn't be punished for that just because you're whiny and entitled to *FORCING* someone to play in a game that could be frustrating or upsetting to them. How is that fair?

2. This isn't your college football team, I should not be punished just because someone with a false sense of what "Honor" means wants to win one for the gipper and give it the good old college try! Thats pathetic, and if I am being forced to satisfy your warped sense of honor, then thats just as selfish in every way as me leaving because I don't want to waste my time on you. Thats ********.

3. What all of this "leavers made me quit" ******** amounts to, is that you, and other people, lost a game, it's funny that you point out the misguided notion that "leavers think everyone else on the team is a bad" but then you point the finger at leavers for every loss you've ever accumulated. Pot, meet kettle, you are hypocritical, whiny, and entitled, every bit as selfish as any leaver I've ever seen.

In conclusion. People that complain about leavers and blame them for their FAIL, you're every bit as bad, if not worse. I'm sure most of your future games will be losses regardless of game attendance. Enjoy them.
Attitudes like this reinforces my belief that the current generation is the most worthless, spoilt, entitled, and ignorant to ever walk the earth.

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Celebrus
02.17.2012 , 09:18 AM | #293
Quote: Originally Posted by damolawler View Post
Attitudes like this reinforces my belief that the current generation is the most worthless, spoilt, entitled, and ignorant to ever walk the earth.
The feeling is mutual.

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drdarpa
02.17.2012 , 09:20 AM | #294
Quote: Originally Posted by solnar_xan View Post
The reason most people don't like deserters:

1) We know the deserter thought they were to good to be here with us.

2) The deserter is to good to be bothered to even attempt to share knowledge or information.

3) The deserter can't be bothered to help build up a structure of team work that would develop over time due to same server pvp.

4) The deserter only cares about the deserter.

5) They are deserters.

The good players who see this will mark it down and remember your name, not that you care, but just remember we do. And when you are in that hard fought near win situation, what we call a good fight, we may just remember and leave you to die.

When I say good player I don't only mean skill I mean integrity; ever heard of it? What about honor? Not the crap you get in WoW, but real old fashioned honor.
The reasons deserters desert:

1. The team is playing with no purpose, and no will to win the match
2. RL aggro
3. Someone or multiple people on the team are so poorly geared or skilled that they are a burden on the team. These players are selfish
4. Multiple AFKers
5. The other team has more players (12v8 or 8v5) because of the bug
6. The deserter has no option of which wz he's placed in. And he hates the wz he's being placed in because he's already played the wz 20 times that day.
7. The deserter expects YOU to be responsible for yourself, and YOU are not being responsible for yourself.

You act as if another player OWES IT TO YOU as if it is their DUTY AS A PAYING PLAYER to prop you up, teach you how to play the game, your class, and let you leach from them. This is your responsibility. If you would mind your business and focus on bettering yourself, you probably wouldn't be here crying about how nobody is teaching you how to play the game.

Do something for yourself. Stop expecting the world to hold your hand.



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Celebrus
02.17.2012 , 09:23 AM | #295
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1. The team is playing with no purpose, and no will to win the match
2. RL aggro
3. Someone or multiple people on the team are so poorly geared or skilled that they are a burden on the team. These players are selfish
4. Multiple AFKers
5. The other team has more players (12v8 or 8v5) because of the bug
6. The deserter has no option of which wz he's placed in. And he hates the wz he's being placed in because he's already played the wz 20 times that day.
7. The deserter expects YOU to be responsible for yourself, and YOU are not being responsible for yourself.

You act as if another player OWES IT TO YOU as if it is their DUTY AS A PAYING PLAYER to prop you up, teach you how to play the game, your class, and let you leach from them. This is your responsibility. If you would mind your business and focus on bettering yourself, you probably wouldn't be here crying about how nobody is teaching you how to play the game.

Do something for yourself. Stop expecting the world to hold your hand.
Absolutely perfectly said.

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astrocanis
02.17.2012 , 09:24 AM | #296
For me, it's quite simple: the only WZ I have EVER left is Huttball. If I never have to see that POS again, it will be too soon. And suffering through that crap for more than 3 minutes is painful to me - so I will leave if I feel like it.

Give me the option to NEVER queue for that piece of crap and I'll do as I do in all the other WZ - play my arse off. Just put Huttball into the "random" rotation and watch me leave.

And I don't give a **** about penalties - I'll leave with or without one.

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JustAnotherVoice
02.17.2012 , 09:29 AM | #297
Quote: Originally Posted by RamzaBehoulve View Post
I heavily disagree with the penalty as well. However, it comes with WZ ratings, therefore, after a few matches, you should be matched with people of your skill level, in theory, so you shouldn't have any incentive to leave to begin with anymore.

Leaving a rated WZ must be punished as this time you don't just piss off team mates, you also make the whole team lose points.
Rated WZs will go a long way to stopping quitting, imo.

It's easy to compare quitters to the lowest of the low, or call them sore losers, but when there is no sense of competition (skill gulf or premades vs pugs), it just isn't fun to hang around to get stomped on and farmed for 15 mins.

I'll gladly admit that I'm not the best PvP'er. Barely pub league quality, in fact. I'll also admit that I've quit one (just the one, for what it's worth on these forums) WZ. However, fun is fun. Give me a competitive, back and forth game on any WZ over some of the completely lop sided rounds of HB or CW, and this problem will go away.

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drdarpa
02.17.2012 , 09:29 AM | #298
Quote: Originally Posted by damolawler View Post
Attitudes like this reinforces my belief that the current generation is the most worthless, spoilt, entitled, and ignorant to ever walk the earth.
Entitled? Not quite, guy. The guy you quoted is simply stating that he expects everyone to put in the work that he puts in. He expects everyone to put in equal effort. He doesn't want to carry leeches.

The entitled generation is the generation whining about how hard it is to get BM gear, how it's unfair that they suck and someone leaves when the majority of the team refuses to work toward the objective or put effort into building their character to make them at least partially useful in pvp, and how they want a 30 minute/2 hour/LIFETIME BAN/BW sends a hitman to take out their whole family for leavers. That's the entitled worthless, spoiled, ignorant generation at work.

And you're backing them up. GJ



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ModestMix
02.17.2012 , 09:33 AM | #299
Quote: Originally Posted by damolawler View Post
Attitudes like this reinforces my belief that the current generation is the most worthless, spoilt, entitled, and ignorant to ever walk the earth.
Don't forget who made them that way.

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savionen
02.17.2012 , 09:37 AM | #300
Quote: Originally Posted by Vodrin View Post
This really is simply not true. You get a pretty fair amount of commendations and valor even for losing. Unless you can immediately get into another game, you are actually slowing your progression and rate of gear acquisition by quitting.
Assuming you got 100 commendations from a win, and 80 from a loss:

Winning 3 games in a row quickly takes 45 minutes, and you'd get 300~ commendations. The bag is worth 800 commendations so that's 1100 commendations in 45 minutes.
That's 1500 commendations in an hour of warzone play.


Winning 3 and losing 3, you'd get 1340 in 90 minutes.
That's 893 commendations an hour of warzone play.

Not to mention that for Battlemasters commendations are worthless, and the only thing they need is wins.


In general the dailies just take too long, expecting everybody to play 6 games on average, 3 wins and 3 losses, is too much. I can't think of another game where a PvP daily took nearly 2 hours on average to complete.