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The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

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The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

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kweassa
02.20.2012 , 03:31 AM | #951
Quote: Originally Posted by Elrathion View Post
If you used the time spent whining on this forum to learn your classes, this thread would be dead by now...
Seriously!

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Tumri
02.20.2012 , 12:47 PM | #952
Quote: Originally Posted by GrandMike View Post
]They are free kil for mara/sentinel AND few other ACs/specs, they cant kill any healer spec, they are easiest class to shut down, they dont have ANY burst.... and yet baddies cry nerf lol. Aint happening.
You're ignoring the other 100 times I(and other posters) have shown why Sorcerers using hybrid CC specs have too much control. It's like you have amnesia and just ignore every post before yours. You've been proven wrong many times in this thread.

1. They aren't a free kill unless they don't use their abilities. Read through past arguments.

2. They can do as well as most others. The most effective healer killers are those with interrupts on 6s talented CDs(Marauders and Powertechs). Other than those two everyone else is about even in terms of being able to solo a healer. Soloing healers isn't efficient regardless. Tunneling a healer alone is stupid when you could kill them a lot faster with two people and move on.

3. They are by far one of the most difficult classes to shut down if they bother to actually use their excessive CC.

4. They have burst equivalent to most others. You're comparing a Sorcerer's burst to Mercenaries, Operatives, and Assassins and two of those are dependent on being able to burst. Mercenary damage is better than Sorcerer damage but they don't have the excessive control(and they're the rDPS with the second best PvP toolkit).

5. The "baddie" part has been proven wrong so many times that the argument actually flipped a few times and people started saying that if I had no problems killing bad Sorcerers then I shouldn't be asking for a nerf to their excessive CC.
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savionen
02.20.2012 , 12:50 PM | #953
Quote: Originally Posted by Elrathion View Post
If you used the time spent whining on this forum to learn your classes, this thread would be dead by now...
That explains the 6 sorcerers and 6 sages in every warzone.

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Baalazar
02.20.2012 , 12:54 PM | #954
Quote: Originally Posted by savionen View Post
That explains the 6 sorcerers and 6 sages in every warzone.
Thats a complete overstatement with no facts to back it up.

If people actually start writing actual facts of why sorcs are op then they might have a decent argument.

All i ever see is that sorcs can kill me when all their abilities are up. Well no *********** **** ofc a sorc if going to win if all of their cds are up. Why the **** are you chasing a sorc/sage to begin with?

The classes are more balanced in this game than WoW and people still complain. Anyone who has faced a frost mage in wow wouldn't be complaining about sorc/sages.

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JustinxDuff
02.20.2012 , 12:56 PM | #955
Quote: Originally Posted by Vincedaddy View Post
People say sorcs are op, and anti-melee yet I face roll them on my sentinel.. This leads me to believe that the majority of posters who hate on sorcs are having l2p issues. (last time someone posted something to this effect they had a picture of their ui on another thread w/out a single keybimd.. C'mon man lol).they are very predictable, wear light armor, have a Bubble that is gone after one hit, and get owned when slowed following the root from force leap. Believe it or not sorcs aren't completely faceroll and have a more complex rotation then tracerLoL (but definately not as strenuous as a sentinel rotation). Either or stop whining and learn how to counter them.. Almost every spec of any class can do so.
Sounds like the sorcs you are fighting aren't very good.
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savionen
02.20.2012 , 12:56 PM | #956
Quote: Originally Posted by Baalazar View Post
Thats a complete overstatement with no facts to back it up.

If people actually start writing actual facts of why sorcs are op then they might have a decent argument.

All i ever see is that sorcs can kill me when all their abilities are up. Well no *********** **** ofc a sorc if going to win if all of their cds are up. Why the **** are you chasing a sorc/sage to begin with?
Ignore the 96 pages in this thread then.

Sorcerer/Sage has the most CC of any class, but is also ranged, and has the most survivability. Light Armor + Bubble is better than Heavy Armor + Reactive Shield.

You're arguing that a Sorc will win if they have all their cooldowns up? Or that you shouldn't chase a Sorc? Why should they automatically win? They also have SHORT cooldowns. If they attack you what are you supposed to do?

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Tumri
02.20.2012 , 12:59 PM | #957
^96 pages in this thread and another 120ish pages in the last.

Quote: Originally Posted by Baalazar View Post
Thats a complete overstatement with no facts to back it up.

If people actually start writing actual facts of why sorcs are op then they might have a decent argument.

All i ever see is that sorcs can kill me when all their abilities are up. Well no *********** **** ofc a sorc if going to win if all of their cds are up. Why the **** are you chasing a sorc/sage to begin with?

The classes are more balanced in this game than WoW and people still complain. Anyone who has faced a frost mage in wow wouldn't be complaining about sorc/sages.
So you're saying they auto-win with their cooldowns up. Their longest CD is 60 seconds. You're saying they get a free kill with minimal effort every 60 seconds. This is in addition to the free turret time they get while someone isn't focusing on killing them.

WoW's Frost Mage was squishy when caught and died if there wasn't a healer around. SWTOR's Sorcerer is like a SPriest with self-healing/bubbles that doesn't cause them to go OOM quickly. They also have CC that's pretty much on par with what Frost Mages had but with less CC immunity(no blink).
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Tirium
02.20.2012 , 12:59 PM | #958
I just kill Sorcs/Sages, seems to work well.
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Baalazar
02.20.2012 , 01:00 PM | #959
Quote: Originally Posted by savionen View Post
Ignore the 96 pages in this thread then.

Sorcerer/Sage has the most CC of any class, but is also ranged, and has the most survivability. Light Armor + Bubble is better than Heavy Armor + Reactive Shield.

You're arguing that a Sorc will win if they have all their cooldowns up? Or that you shouldn't chase a Sorc? Why should they automatically win? They also have SHORT cooldowns. If they attack you what are you supposed to do?
Because a ranged class who knows how to kite will all their abilities up is going to win.

As a melee you shouldn't be chasing a sorc halfway across the map they are going to dot you up and run away. You have to play smart and catch them off guard.

Everybody expects this game to be faceroll.
It already is for the most part. How much easier do you want this game to be?

Right now as it stands sorcs have low survivability if you can corner them. A marauder/sentinel can make quick work of them. IF Sorc/sages didn't have the sprint and the utility they have every class would wipe the floor with them.

96 pages of people need to learn to play the game is all i see.

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savionen
02.20.2012 , 01:03 PM | #960
You're saying a Sorcerer should be able to win every fight, I get it. You must want faceroll if you want to automatically win.