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The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

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The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

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Tumri
02.18.2012 , 01:59 PM | #841
Quote: Originally Posted by DragonAgeOrgins View Post
How does your guild feel about you raging on the forums trying to get a class nerfed. Not very good I imagine.
From what I've seen most of them don't read the forums or don't care.
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DragonAgeOrgins
02.18.2012 , 01:59 PM | #842
Quote: Originally Posted by Tumri View Post
Except for the fact that content is incredibly easy in PvE and we end up clearing everything in 2 days. Those of us that PvP usually always top WZs. In full 4-man premades we don't lose 90% of the time against other pre-mades despite using crappy random compositions while up against 3x Sorcerer 1x Juggernaut ball carrying machine teams.
Just let it go. No nerf is coming.

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BoDiE
02.18.2012 , 02:00 PM | #843
Wrath full of angry little kids? Man I gotta roll a scoundrel on your server.
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gluefoot
02.18.2012 , 02:00 PM | #844
Quote: Originally Posted by Lormif View Post
about a jedi knight and his sister the consular you mean?
lolwat??

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Tumri
02.18.2012 , 02:02 PM | #845
Quote: Originally Posted by BoDiE View Post
Wrath full of angry little kids? Man I gotta roll a scoundrel on your server.
You have no argument so you're bringing my guild(which has NOTHING to do with my forum threads) into it? Pathetic.

Quote: Originally Posted by DragonAgeOrgins View Post
Just let it go. No nerf is coming.
"Don't nerf me bro!"

If you're confident that they're not going to do anything then why do you care?
Wrath
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BoDiE
02.18.2012 , 02:03 PM | #846
Quote: Originally Posted by Tumri View Post
You have no argument so you're bringing my guild(which has NOTHING to do with my forum threads) into it? Pathetic.



"Don't nerf me bro!"

If you're confident that they're not going to do anything then why do you care?
I made my point earlier, which you chose to ignore. And to that end I win the argument and proceeded to point out you are an angry child trying to get his own way. No one is backing you...
epicfail
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Sirolos
02.18.2012 , 02:04 PM | #847
Quote: Originally Posted by Tumri View Post


http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#20...dRbZcrcRsMkM.1 - A DoT dependent version of the build that gains DPS but loses out on 20s Force Sprint.
You have some useless talents in this build.
1. If your going to make it DoT based you may as well go 31 in madness..
DoT's are great, but with a hybrid you dont need them as your main focus.
You would do better getting the extra crit and .5 off your healing .
Lightning Storm is useless if your using wrath.

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#20...MdMbZcMcRsMz.1

this would be a better variant.
( this is also more melee friendly..meaning with backlash, melee will have to go through hell to kill you if this is played correctly)

You get the CC you need..and you get the extra crit..
and faster heals.
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In the two builds above "Lightning Storm" may be substituted with a talent of your choice. I felt that it provided PvP utility by allowing more Chain Lightnings at times when people piled up but it's an optional talent.

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#20...dRrhZcMcRsMz.1 - A Bursty variant that sacrifices sustained DPS for more damage from Chain Lightning.
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Tumri this is bad..

Lightning barrage is bugged last i checked. its also pretty un-needed..This also IS NOT a burst build.

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#20...0MzMZfMcRsMz.1
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This build you get all the CC your need, and your AoE's gain an extra 10% damage..
This means that wrath+CL you net a 30% extra dps gain

You get the crit bonus and the AoE root.

You lose out on the force sprint, but with the CC you have you dont really need it.
And its because of this build that wrath and the Lightning CC need to be changed .


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Note that NONE of these builds give up any of the core CC talents and the talents that do get swapped in/out of based on preference are "Lightning Effusion" and "Suppression". The 10s CD reduction talent for Electrocute is only taken to reach the higher tier of Madness and that is why the 3rd build doesn't take it. It's a minor CD reduction in any case.
A Few things to note Tumri

The main Core CC would be (IMO)

Backlash OR instant cast Whirlwind-

Electrocute ( of course)

Electric Bindings OR Creeping Terror.

The Resolve Mechanic is wierd.
From my experience with backlash its pretty useless when gunslingers or troopers get the ticket with your number on it..and its basically better vs melee ( pretty much only melee)

Instant cast Whirlwind is better vs EVERYONE.

to the point where you can skip backlash and get better utility.
Utility that increases your up time AND burst.
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GrandMike
02.18.2012 , 02:04 PM | #848
Quote: Originally Posted by Tumri View Post
"Don't nerf me bro!"

If you're confident that they're not going to do anything then why do you care?
I just have fun from QQ when bored at work Keep this thread alive! Its source of many laughs

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justcallmetarzan
02.18.2012 , 02:05 PM | #849
Quote: Originally Posted by GrandMike View Post
You will have to also say that this DPS is in 90%+ stationary form. When running/kiting nubers go down to laughable values, basically 1 dot+project and TT now and then+15s CD AoE.

You will also have to say that there is no burst on sorc/sage.

Will think of more, but if you include those 2 ill just link this post to all terribads QQing about sorc/sage
Actually, for the most part, Sage dps is pretty mobile. If you time your procs right, you can stay entirely on the move, stopping only to channel a 1.5 sec TK Throw procced off Psychic Projection. Other than that, a 13/28 or 3/7/31 should be inst-casting everything.

I'm also going to have to disagree on the burst dps. It's not quite as high as other classes, but there are basically two ways to get some quick damage out.

First, you can channel a TK Throw to proc presence of mind, and then drop a Force in Balance and TK Wave back to back. This would give you ~8k in the space of 4 GCD's.

Second, you can hardcast TK Wave and chain a FIB onto the end of it. This should unload about 5k instantly due to the slight travel time on TK Wave.

But yes, by all means, please link my post to sorc/sage QQ'ers =)

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Bloodtau
02.18.2012 , 02:06 PM | #850
All they need to do is remove and/or rebalance their CC abilities. The amount they have is just crazy and who ever designed them should be fired.