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The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

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The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

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GrandMike
02.17.2012 , 04:15 AM | #721
Quote: Originally Posted by Wyrdstar View Post
Maybe he's just tired of facing this legion of self deluded mouth breathers that play this class.
Nah, he just has L2P problem.

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fredsaase
02.17.2012 , 04:16 AM | #722
Quote: Originally Posted by Wyrdstar View Post
Maybe he's just tired of facing this legion of self deluded mouth breathers that play this class.
Ironically, even if they nerf sorc/sage (isn't there at 20% consumption nerf coming sometime?), I will still play mine.

And I will still be better at the game than most of the people crying for nerfs.
Channah, Seer Sage
Prophecy of the Five (PvP East)

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Vales
02.17.2012 , 04:27 AM | #723
Quote: Originally Posted by FodderofCannon View Post
This is not an argument but an insult. Interesting that you accuse me of this, yet your the one doing it. Revealing.

Could you be more specific? What is BS about my comments??




Right. So your saying that because everything is easy, the Sorc isn't easier than any other class? Is this your argument? lol. Come on be honest here...



My main is a Shadow, so dont know where the Sent thing comes from, but realistically? The Sent is easy to burn down, easy to control, and very very hard to play properly. Can they kill a sorc in pure 1v1 situation? Yeah, but they SHOULD BE ABLE TOO, but I am not talking about pure 1v1 here. I am talking overall PvP ability. The Sorc has just so many tools at its disposal compared, it's not even funny. If you were being honest about this you would agree.





Don't pretend you don't have some invested interest in this. Obviously you are defending the class for a reason. I personally don't think they should be nerfed, like I said: the game needs an easy class. And the reality is Sorcs are a very large population in the game. Popular classes should be easier. That's good game design.

Maybe not balanced, but this is about appealing to the largest common denominator.

I actually think the big disadvantage to the sorc is that people hate them so much they will ff you down. Regardless if your even doing objectives or not, people will go out of their way to kill you. I know I do.
1.) "Smart" guy noticing I mock you.
2.) That you believe that Sorc/Sage is easier to play than other classes is BS.
3.) Hard to burn down with Force Camo, 99% damage reduction and a 20% damage reduction, AoE Mezz, 50% speed increase and potentially two leaps? You are doing it wrong.
4.) The class especially the Inquisitor is popular because of Darth Sidious. Nothing else. Most player at start of an MMO have no clue how strong the class is in PvP and a majority does not even care about PvP one bit.
5.) Ultimately I do not even care if this class gets nerfed or not because I always mained at least 2 classes in every MMO, if I have the time more mainly so I know the classes inside out and get a feel for them so I can counter them better instead of running into forums crying 24/7 albeit it is highly amusing to see it.
Currently getting up my Scoundrel Sawbones, my Immortal Jugger and my Powertech Shieldtech which are around 25 by now.

So yeah go ahead, nerf this class if you wish to I do not care ultimately one I am good enough to adjust and I also have a decent pool of characters I enjoy to play I'll just laugh at it because I know for sure if this class is nerfed you will just jump on the next class whining 24/7 about it just the same way people cry about Sorcs/Sages now. Ultimately it will change nothing on the forums. The "comminity" in these forums especially on PvP forums are just a very minor but very vocal group of loudmouthed terribads mostly who would never even consider the fact they fail has anything to do with them being bad.
The masses are close to never right because the avarage IQ of a person is divided by the amount of people he joins most of the time.
This game needs more Kel Dor!

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Wyrdstar
02.17.2012 , 04:50 AM | #724
Quote: Originally Posted by Vales View Post
And others are amused by the masses of terribads crying on forums.
Of course because when a wz is comprised of half or better sage/sorcs <which is quite often> it just means that all the pro players mysteriously gravitated to those classes. I think I read this same type of argument from from the Operatives before they got nerfed. Don't worry though I have a feeling your bright wizard...I mean sage/sorc will be nerf proof for a long time to come.

/rolleyes back at ya.

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Vales
02.17.2012 , 04:51 AM | #725
Quote: Originally Posted by Wyrdstar View Post
Of course because when a wz is comprised of half or better sage/sorcs <which is quite often> it just means that all the pro players mysteriously gravitated to those classes. I think I read this same type of argument from from the Operatives before they got nerfed. Don't worry though I have a feeling your bright wizard...I mean sage/sorc will be nerf proof for a long time to come.

/rolleyes back at ya.
Cool story bro.
This game needs more Kel Dor!

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maesesami
02.17.2012 , 06:44 AM | #726
Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning...

Bubble, run and force lightning,force lightning,force lightning,force lightning,force lightning...

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Waagabond
02.17.2012 , 07:12 AM | #727
Quote: Originally Posted by savionen View Post
Sorc/Sages don't need much else when they have the most CC in the game, Force Run, and can heal, ontop of Bubble.

Bubble isn't invincibility-mode, it's just that Light Armor + Bubble is superior to Medium Armor or Heavy Armor, especially since armor doesn't mitigate internal/elemental damage, but a Bubble still blocks it.
This.

The bubble is the problem.

The amount of tools the class already have means they should not have access to this bubble as a base line ability.

My recomendation still stands. Place bubble as a tier 5-6 talent in the healing tree and honestly, a healing sorc would more or less stay the same, while DPS sorcs would need to survive without it but can still recieve the bubble, as all other classes, from a healing specd sorc.

Increasing the top tier talents in the trees would not mean much. No class have a good top tier talent.

Every sorc would still remain hybrid as that would still be better then any top tier talent regardless of how good they are.

The bubble needs to be removed from baseline and thats it.

Or they need to nerf a whole lot with many other abilities where a slight change would quickly place the class, still ontop but atleast not utterly overpowered.

Bubble, speed, aoe knockback, cc, stuns dps snare...

Its just too much.

This class can by themself do what other classes are doing when working 2 together to ensure this is taking place.

It removes team effort since you have one class able to do it all, and better then other classes with 1 or 2 of similar abilities.

That sorcs and sages keep protecting their class just shows disrespect to the game and pvp community as a whole.

For PVE bubbles are good and handy, and with my advice a heal specd sorc would literally remain unchanged to now, in order to not make pve harder for pve sages, where they already are the strongest healers but I have no problem with that.

PVP is the problem, not PVE.

The bubble will fully ignore 80% of an operative or scoundrels stealth opener, which is their hardest hitting ability in this game.
And since release those classes have their crit damage reduced with up to 40% due to surge nerf and the 20% nerf to said ability.

All dps classes need to rely on healers to stay alive, or slip away and self heal.
Why not sorcs?
They do have the ability to run away and self heal as every other hybrid class, such as mercs, commandos, scoundrels and operatives.
Sorcs "bubble" is their cc disposal.
Even without the bubble sorcs are still extremly powerful, it really fills no role.
That or remove the snare from force lightning and the 2 sec stun from lightning cage.

Its one or the other. You already have a snare from your aoe knockback.

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sefirus
02.17.2012 , 07:40 AM | #728
The more op in this moment is the comando.

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damolawler
02.17.2012 , 07:52 AM | #729
Quote: Originally Posted by maesesami View Post
Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning,Force lightning...

Bubble, run and force lightning,force lightning,force lightning,force lightning,force lightning...
Lol, no wonder they all think they're such great players. Any numbnuts can play a sorc.

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maesesami
02.17.2012 , 07:58 AM | #730
Serendipity, just pros play sorcs.