The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

I didnt read 64 pages admittedly but another thing in case it wasnt mentioned is their spammable force lighting actually gives them a net gain in mana. They will actually gain mana over the channelling hence after the channelling they have more mana then before

That is just an absolute oversight and it is why all those people spam it constantly
If a bh as an example spam their tracer missle they would over heat pretty quickly

The mana use should triple for this

a class is only far better than others when "others" don't learn how to play against that class.
sorry if you consider a sorcerer's tool set a "cheat code".

but when someone tells you how you can make those "cheat codes" useless, you come back why should i do that?

i can only give you a big lol

Let me ask you a question...what other class has a power that is spammable, gives a resource net gain, does good dmg, AND applies CC slows?

I suppose you think that it was fine when Operatives could stack items to do 8k crits in the 10-50 bracket on people with 11k health? Everyone else just needed to L2P.

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Let me ask you a question...what other class has a power that is spammable, gives a resource net gain, does good dmg, AND applies CC slows?

If you consider such a power hunky dorey and fair. Then you got me stumped and I've got nothing more to say.

a class is only far better than others when "others" don't learn how to play against that class.
sorry if you consider a sorcerer's tool set a "cheat code".

but when someone tells you how you can make those "cheat codes" useless, you come back with why should i do that?

i can only give you a big lol

This logic is so flawed its hard to read...

I'm not asking for any of that. I'm asking for minor changes mentioned in the OP because I'd rather them be undernerfed than overnerfed. Many others in this thread have asked for sweeping massive changes to rebalance them but in my OP I suggest baby steps to find a place where they're strong but not stupidly overpowered.

No leap necessary to open, sages are generally stationary unless being attacked. Sorc stuns, you take it. He gets a free force lightning, maybe 5k damage tops Just tank it like a man because ~1/3rd of your health is NOTHING. Stun's up, you force camo. There's no root on you at that point. Now you close gap with +movement YEAH! Use that +30% movement speed to run 30 meters in 4 seconds because that's definitely possible *also the sage stands still wondering if you went out for lunch while you're stealthed*. No whirlwind, you interrupt it because the raw awesome of your double lightsabers allows you to interrupt instant cast abilities. He knockbacks, you break it with the POWER OF GREYSKULL!. Saber throw to pop shield stun because with your hax skills you stole an ability from another advanced class and also buffed it's damage so it does more than ~1500 damage on a crit. If it doesn't crit and pop shield you melee with Crippling Slash and while Crippling Slash costs 2 rage and does ~800 damage the shield should break because you have THE POWER OF GREYSKULL*also you somehow stay in melee range long enough to do this and he doesn't just use force slow to kite you.. meh minor details*. Shield pops, 3 second stun but he's slowed. Even if he cleanses it that means you're out of stun before he has gained much distance, you leap.

You're now in melee range with a Sorc wth no knockback, no stun, and no shield. If you can't win now, you're horrible. Just bring that Sorcerer down from 16k to 0 in the 5-6 seconds you get where you're not completely unable to do damage. Obviously your special Marauder powers prevent him from using force slow to keep kiting you. He also can't use any of his damaging abilities because all of those have definitely have a minimum range that nobody knows about yet. Also all his other abilities are on cooldown somehow

If you're going to apply perfect tactical knowledge, timing, and awareness to the sage, you might as well apply it to the marauder. You might as well also apply the POWER OF CASTLE GREYSKULL, hacking skills, and the ability to bend reality with your awesome power to the Marauder because why not?