The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

I'm not saying that heavy armor is worthless. I'm saying that bubble is massively better. I'm not really sure what sort of math you're using.

Half of the skills in this game are elemental/internal or ignore armor in some fashion.

Heavy armor is actually closer to 30%, and bubble can be reduced to 17seconds, and BM would bubble for 3500, so that's actually closer to 30k damage over 20 seconds.

Tracer Missile ignores 20% of armor, so that 30% becomes 24% while the 20% becomes 16%. That means that a Heavy Armored target takes 8% less damage from Tracer Missiles than a Sorcerer.

Assuming an average of 2500 per Tracer missile, per 1.5sec, for 16.5 seconds, that'd be 27500 damage before mitigation.

A Sorcerer blocks 3000 of that, and reduces the rest by 18%.
The Sorcerer would take 20090 damage.

Assuming the Sorcerer pre-cast Bubble, that'd be 17090.

A Heavy-armor blocks 0 of that, and reduces by 24%.
The Heavy-armored class would take 20900 damage.

When as a Sorcerer are you going to have somebody sitting on you spamming attacks, you've got every possible escape in the book ONTOP of bubble. Heavy-armored skills don't have any escape skills, ontop of more CC than any other class. The Sorcerer can do a dozen different things to prevent the Tracer Missile spam.

Most of the sorc abilities are kenetic, you need full specs for internal to be usefull.


Also since we are talking about GROUPS issues (since most admit it is hard for a sorc to be good 1v1) your comparison shows that in groups a scalable 30% is better then a static 3 or 3.5k bubble.

That's not what I said, dude. I said the damage is fine. Its their utility in huttball I don't like. Read my post and you'll see what I mean. In combat Sprint, shield and AOE KNOCKBACK on 10 or 15 sec CD makes them kings of Huttball...

And in any group situation a Sorcerer is the best class because they bring far more to the table than anyone else.

If everyone is focus-firing you, and you decide to sit there and do nothing, yeah. In that sort of situation any heavy armor class pretty much has to sit there and take it and hope to be healed. A sorcerer can force run, CC multiple people, LoS and heal, etc. And if you're specced for it they'll all get blinded if they DO break your bubble.

If everyone is focus-firing you, and you decide to sit there and do nothing, yeah.

In that sort of situation any heavy armor class pretty much has to sit there and take it and hope to be healed. A sorcerer can force run, CC multiple people, LoS and heal, etc.

And if you're specced for it they'll all get blinded if they DO break your bubble.

If everyone is focus fireing me then I will probably have snares on me, not to mention massive damage, by the time you CC several people and start to run, while slowed, you will still die.


Not true, you still have CCs and escapes. If you chose not to use them that is not my fault.


that is a BIG IF, cause if they are not ranged (remember about half the classes are, if they are they will not be stunned.