The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

your logic is 100% wrong. basicly your calling for a nerf to one class in replace of BioWare developers doing their job. what about jedi roots, sith warrior roots, sniper roots.. i can go on forever.

a "small balancing tweak" wont balance anything with sorcs. it will break them completely.

also.. they havnt even hinted at a sorc nef either.. your point is mute

the problem is. the adjustments it needs vs the adjustments the qqers on the forum call for are very different things.

My server is already at least 40%+ Sorcerers and about 25% Mercenaries right now lol.


With that said I'm leveling one up right now. I've actually been having some really good low level WZs with my Sorc and before I played one I never knew they had so many tricks.

The average Sorcerer doesn't even use half the tools available to him and still does okay. When I was on my Marauder I didn't even know Force Slow was baseline! I always assumed it was a talent or something because I barely had it used against me.

Even without Backlash and Electric bindings I'm finding myself kiting most level 40-49 players with ease. It's unbelievable but I didn't know that the delay from the knockback didn't root you in place. I had always thought that once you cast Overload you had to stand still but I was amazed when I found this to not be the case. I've been averaging about 250-300k damage in the basic greens/and odd blues from quests and drops around my level and my Sorcerer isn't even high enough level for Force Storm so it's almost all single target. With the baseline CC I find that it's simple enough to juke people into places where they'll get knocked back into a fire or down a ramp or the balcony in Alderaan WZ. I feel like I'll be untouchable once I get all my talents on this character.

Its kinda sad that sorcs are the strongest/most durable healer as well as the highest dpsing class in warzones. As a scoundrel I hate that bubble as a dps sec sorc protects more then 2 stacks of slow release medpac over 18 seconds. Because of the mecanics even if it didn't protect for a higher number it would still be far superior due to the mechanics of the spells

Do you think before you type? A "small balancing tweak" will not break them completely. It's a "SMALL BALANCING TWEAK". Read that again. Hopefully you get it.

I'm also sure you could go on forever. I'll do it for you. Operative roots, Assassin roots, Roots Roots, etc. You know, all the imaginary CCs that those classes don't have? It's pretty clear you don't know what you're talking about.

at low level you will destroy **** as a lot of classes dont get their usefull talents till much later and sorcs have good baseline dmg. on the other hand if ppl are allowing you to do that damage thats not you being op thats them being bad. its very easy to limit sorc damage by knowing how to play and how they work. If your kiting lvl40-49s then they really are bad. Force slow may be baseline but it does only have a 50% uptime. the rest you need to cast fl to keep them slowed and considering most classes have enough interupts and gap closers/stealth vanishes to avoid it there is no real reason for them to complain.

wait till you face some good platers in 50 pvp and watch how fast they tunnel you down. then watch how you die in a stun whislt you cant do anything about it.

again read my next post after that. the ~"small balancing tweaks" that 90% of the player base propose WILL break the class or result in them being buffed elsewhere

operatives most definitely have a root, as well as assassin's if they choose to play madness.

Spot on OP and cheers.

I love the comparison to Marauder/Sent which has very little utility outside of group buffs and then comparable DPS with weak CC. Marauders/Sents are FORCED to 31 point spec to be viable at all. Either BW needs to make us all have some hybrid spec potential (eg moving precision slash down to tier 3 or what have you) or they need to make all classes be 31 point talent classes. If only some classes have access to viable hybrids those hybrids CANNOT be more powerful that going 31 points deep. Great post, great points, great solutions.

I usually eat sorcs for breakfast, but have always been jelly of their hybrid abilities and the complete lack in my class. They dominate huttball as everyone knows. If more top tier players played sorcs then it would be clear how OP they are. Luckily baddies flock to the sorc so most are very, very killable especially for my scissors to their paper class. That said the most feared opponents on my server are all hybrid sorcs. They just have top shelf players behind them and the CC/DPS combo is unbeatable in the most skilled players hands.

I think there is something fundamentally not right when doing PVP in this game, do I think its the class or one that is better than the other? no I think ther eare a couple of things that need to happen here.

1 most definatly we need mroe time to pass before we start tweeking. You know one class tweek has an effect on the ohers in thier play. give it a solid year before tweeking and see if its a factor of people that are complaining about this mythical "balance" get better at thier class or jsut move to something and find they are better at it. I think honestly lack of experiance is what cuases the crying. Peopel always try to impy the last game's tactics to a fresh new game.

2 While I am sure it is helpful none of us are programers. . .or else we prolly would be working there. So with out knowing the formulas and thier real intentions its best to not assume.

3 in a recent study they foudn people are willign to pay less for somethign than they are expecting to recive for the implied value. why do I mention this? becuae I see alot of complaining and wanting a huge net gain while giving up little.

if you really think a class is over powered play it. there are ways around everythign, that's how I learn the weak spots. While I am not downing the fact that there is somethign amiss withthe PVP in this game, I can't quite put my finger on it. I think its that there are so many options, so much of pvp I see is root shoot repete.

I would suggest that we tread softly on this "balance quest" becuase it is one of the major factors that contributed to wow's demise. every patch someone was either getting nerfed or pimped. I would honestly say that I could bet a ******** on why you see so many Sith Sorcs. being inq is one of 4 classes you can play, it has the heals and the dps aspect. and holy crap was it not cool to shoot lightning out of your fingers? Who wouldn't want to do that? Agent seems to not have much sex appeal, BH is pretty popular same as sith warrior. other than that I woudl say that is why you see so many of the big 3. . . .and after all republic is just fruity and no one wants to play them.

every class is crying right now that ttells me that people have to truely get thier minds in this game, and learn it before we start tweeking. this is not to say tweeks don't need made, I saw the video of the 3 hit gunslinger kills. we need to learn the game, not make the game learn us. we all seem to want different from wow type MMO's and this seems to bring it, why do we want to turn it back into what we came from?