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The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

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The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

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Zeuus
02.15.2012 , 09:51 AM | #251
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Yes lol. So far the best I've done was ~530k in Voidstar in full PvE gear. I don't use a single piece of expertise gear because I ripped some of the mods out of whatever champion gear I got. No doubt I'm at a pretty severe disadvantage but it doesn't stop me much. I always beat the fully geared battlemaster Marauders on my server. If I'm up against a battlemaster geared player 1v1 I typically don't win since they get like a 30% advantage but I can typically play it smart and bait them into making mistakes that allow me to get kills(teammates FTW) or allow me to kill ball carriers(They chase me and I turn around and go after their ball carrier when they're far enough away). I had a Gladiator Hunter(S8 and S9) in WoW so I'm no stranger to PvP and Skill>All.

When I made this thread I didn't really think about my own person struggle against them. 9/10 of players fall over against me regardless of class. I just saw people using this amazing spec with incredible CC and that made me do my research. I found the spec incredibly overpowered and made this thread in an effort to rebalance them without killing the spec in PvP. I only suggested the most minor of changes because I'm not a fan of over-nerfing classes

So here's my issue. You play in PVE gear, ok whatever your choice. But you don't even play a Sorc. All you did was read tooltips and decide that they are OP. Seriously ***! Based on tooltips alone I could create a story for ANY class and say that they are OP.

You don't have any issue killing Sorc's, yet you call for nerfs to the class? You said it yourself that they pose no issue to your playing. Why do you want them nerfed?

I just don't understand why you would read tooltips and then decide the class without even playing it first.

There are so many flaws in your arguments that you still refuse to acknowledged. But you created an engaging thread. People from both sides of the fence have something to say.


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Here's what I would wish, go play a sorc to 50. Get at least your cent pvp set and then come back with comments and suggestions.

Right now you don't have all the information. Your posts are all opinion. Even with tooltips, your still only getting half of the story. Become a better player and get all your information.

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Bioware has stated that every class has a scale. Everyone is judged by that scale so they are balanced. If they feel abilites are performing not as intented then they will do something.

BUT they play the classes, they don't just read tooltips.

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Telaan
02.15.2012 , 10:42 AM | #252
Quote: Originally Posted by Zeuus View Post
So here's my issue. You play in PVE gear, ok whatever your choice. But you don't even play a Sorc. All you did was read tooltips and decide that they are OP. Seriously ***! Based on tooltips alone I could create a story for ANY class and say that they are OP.

You don't have any issue killing Sorc's, yet you call for nerfs to the class? You said it yourself that they pose no issue to your playing. Why do you want them nerfed?

I just don't understand why you would read tooltips and then decide the class without even playing it first.

There are so many flaws in your arguments that you still refuse to acknowledged. But you created an engaging thread. People from both sides of the fence have something to say.


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Here's what I would wish, go play a sorc to 50. Get at least your cent pvp set and then come back with comments and suggestions.

Right now you don't have all the information. Your posts are all opinion. Even with tooltips, your still only getting half of the story. Become a better player and get all your information.

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Bioware has stated that every class has a scale. Everyone is judged by that scale so they are balanced. If they feel abilites are performing not as intented then they will do something.

BUT they play the classes, they don't just read tooltips.
Well said, I agree. The problem is that this has turned into a nerf sorc/sage into the ground thread. Most arguments stem from dying in PvP and not liking it and result in posts that paint a picutre of completely unkillable sorc/sage players. It's why I've stated so many times in this thread that I'm sometimes glad BW mostly ignores the forums and bases the game on metrics.

The OP's point was that the bubble stun and aoe root following a knockback were OP. However, the bubble stun immediately breaks on damage and the root breaks on damage after 2 seconds. If you're having trouble with those things with all of the AoE and DoTs in this game, you can't be helped.

Additionally, most conditions can be dispelled. But, people rarely take advantage of this. Instead they come to the forums to cry nerf about abilties that already have multiple counters because they're bad or lazy. As I told the OP; you know you've lost an argument when biowareftw joins your side.

Either way, I'd still rather support a Sent with my JG any day of the week and twice on sunday over a sage. So, ultimately I'm ok with people thinking hybrid sorc/sage are OP. While they're trying to focus the sage, the Sent will destroy them in half the time the sage could've.
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Blukz
02.15.2012 , 10:50 AM | #253
I love the game, have a post on how it's a great game, but even I must admit Sages/Sorcs need tuning.

Just played a huttball match against 6 sages, it's not the damage that's the problem. It's everything else.

Strong shield, decent heals, in combat sprint (great for carrying ball and catching up to ball carrier, and leaving enemy players in the dust), knockback on a really small cooldown, etc.

Bioware I love ya but I really hope you see this post and maybe even this message and pick up on the fact that Sages/Sorcs are dominating in PvP and even more so in Huttball. I get that Huttball is designed for ranged classes (which is completely stupid by the way), but cmon give the rest of us a break..
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Zhentarion
02.15.2012 , 11:04 AM | #254
Again this is getting to that Sorceres and sages Need to have

4 sec cast time on all spells!
One CC with 5 min CD
Breaker with 5 min CD
30% Dmg debuff vs Melee


all you damn whiners want are spell casters that are upfront with you all the time and cant run away

Funny you dont see ppl with blasters and missiles ofc the moves they have arent verry flashy ... and the melee classes have it bad.... gees get over your self

pvp is Fine L2p! all classes are fine L2P!
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Blukz
02.15.2012 , 11:08 AM | #255
Quote: Originally Posted by Zhentarion View Post
Again this is getting to that Sorceres and sages Need to have

4 sec cast time on all spells!
One CC with 5 min CD
Breaker with 5 min CD
30% Dmg debuff vs Melee


all you damn whiners want are spell casters that are upfront with you all the time and cant run away

Funny you dont see ppl with blasters and missiles ofc the moves they have arent verry flashy ... and the melee classes have it bad.... gees get over your self

pvp is Fine L2p! all classes are fine L2P!
Dude you're dumb. I can't wait till you play vs an all sage or all sorc team in huttball. You're going to get roflstomped before you can even react.
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Zhentarion
02.15.2012 , 11:10 AM | #256
lol 5 of the same classes in a ws is how you find out who is op lol
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Zhentarion
02.15.2012 , 11:12 AM | #257
Blukz if you cant kill a Sorcer or come close you Rly need to L2P
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Telaan
02.15.2012 , 11:15 AM | #258
Quote: Originally Posted by Blukz View Post
Dude you're dumb. I can't wait till you play vs an all sage or all sorc team in huttball.
I'll bet he can't wait either. They suck. I'll take a team of JGs and van/mandos with no sages over a team of sages.
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Blukz
02.15.2012 , 11:20 AM | #259
Quote: Originally Posted by Zhentarion View Post
Blukz if you cant kill a Sorcer or come close you Rly need to L2P
That's not what I said, dude. I said the damage is fine. Its their utility in huttball I don't like. Read my post and you'll see what I mean. In combat Sprint, shield and AOE KNOCKBACK on 10 or 15 sec CD makes them kings of Huttball...
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Karenai
02.15.2012 , 11:30 AM | #260
You see Sages/Sorcs with massive CC. Those are annoying.

Then you see Sages/Sorcs with massive damage numbers at the end of a game.

You also see Sages/Sorcs running around throwing instants on the run, killing you and three other guys.

Well, those are not the same. Either you specc massive cc OR massive damage and that damage is also either massive aoe OR hard hitting dots.


There are way more then one spec Sages/Sorcs are running around with, most of non Sages/Sorcs think just because you can spec it, everyone has.

To use ALL the cc you could spec with a hybrid, you end up with a frankenstein spec, with nothing but two core spells and WAY less damage+no movment at all.