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Castiel
02.15.2012 , 03:00 PM | #21
Isn't actually stated that he's dead. Moreover was speculated that he knew how to fold space to escape the foundry. Also, there's a republic ship over his HQ when the battle starts.

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mefit
02.15.2012 , 03:09 PM | #22
I hate the whole Cannon bs , Lucas has allowed his story to reach beyond the Cannon , movies , and books .

Vadar was a TOOL , a powerful one that did alot in his time to alot of nobodies .
Vadar lost to Obi-wan 2x, 1 resulting in his disfigurement and disability that destroyed his ability to control the force as he could prefight . He had to use most his energy with the force to help his movement as the Emperor made it so he had too to limit him if he came to ever fight the emperor !
2nd FIght Obi-wan had to give his life to Vadar so teh others could get away , something that Darth Malgus killed his own master over in "RETURN" .

Vadar's apprentice " Galen Marek " Beat Vadar 2x as well, both times Vadar with full hate could not stop !
Luke barely beat Vadar with Vadar holding back ! Vadar did not want to kill his son and in the end turned back to the light with his death finally breaking the Emperor's hold on him.

No question Anakin could have been great and if on equal terms could beat Revan but it was never to be equal and if they both met in their primes with everything done to them as it was , Revan would beat Vadar . Does not mean the fight would not be EPIC , it just means on some level Revan would be better .

Revan could never win again Palpitine , just would not happen no matter cannon or not. Emperor Vitiate in his own right was probably just as powerful as Palpitine and beat Revan without even breaking a sweat !

Palptine was a Coward and did not really believe in the Rule of Two and Vitiate never respected it as well . Vitiate never had a master really and learned most on his own as he was BORN OF THE FORCE . Palpitine feared his master as he feared anyone who could use the force that was not under his control . Palpitine never trained a Apprentice to beat him , because he wanted to rule forever where other sithlords want to die to a worthy Apprentice . If they are worthy the lose seems more respected than if they were weak . Palpitine thought Vadar was weak and wanted Vadar to train his own replacement , even Palpitine trained accouple on the side in hopes one could take Vadar's place !

Revan did not die in foundry , he did the same move that he did in the fight with Vitiate to try and get away . Haters just want Revan dead , just like Haters never give Vadar any props .
Vadar was a BEAST even with his disability and would not be a easy fight but Revan is a Beast as well and would win .

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mefit
02.15.2012 , 03:28 PM | #23
By the way , George Lucas had help writing the whole Star Wars trilogy books and movie. I am a big fan of Lucas but he discredits the story that he also approves , thats kinda nutz . While publicly he says things are this and that , in private he approves everything that is to use the SW name . This includes all EU ! He is a Sales man , and is trying to keep alive the heart of the story which is the Trilogy that we all love I hope .

Him saying this that or the other thing is mostly to maintain the ability to sell properties .If he truely believed in what he said , he would not allow these characters to reach the heights they are reaching through the comics , games , and books . Make no mistake he knows what is going on and approves it while maintaining his love for his original characters .

To be honest him saying one character is "THE MOST POWERFUL" or "BE ALL END ALL" is like biting the hands that have made sure his story has reached beyond the movies , Star Wars has a Fan Base that was beyond what he ment !

Saying Revan could beat Vadar is not a fan boy thing, it is honestly taking 2 stories and realising that Revan at his time was just as powerful as Vadar was predisfigurement .
Anakin if allowed to mature undifigured and continued his training would have beat Revan but it did not happen .

We are comparing a character who used a Bulk of his powers to move around to a character who was considered to be the heart of teh force . Who when fully awakened knew more than most of his time . Saddly with Age , Emperor Vitiate also born of the force knew more, and had more time to learn it.

One could be considered more powerful and have more intouch with the force ,but them knowing how to use it toppled those who could not.

Thus Revan might have been more Powerful than Vitiate but could not win .
The only person Revan could not beat had the longest life to prefect his ability to use the force , possibly making him the most skilled force user in history .
While Palpitine and Vitiate mirror one another , Vitiate killed his SIthlord Father at the age of 6 with no problems ! By the time he was in his teens , he controled his planet with his mind and gained the respect of the Lord of the Sith Marka Ragnos .
Every Sithlord including Vadar has use relics to increase their power.
In years alone , he out lived Palpitine by one thousand years . Thats even if you include all the clones Palpitine had . There is no feets that Palpitine did that Vitiate did not do !

It is to my belief in the long run , the sith of old were more powerful because they had to be . Palpitine comes from a line of sith that used power to remain hidden . Not to mention he only beat his own master because his master thought he had more control than he did and trusted his Apprentice to sleep around him . Palpitine killed him in his sleep . Vitiate had no master but killed his father , lord of the sith at the age of 6 in full combat !

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mefit
02.15.2012 , 03:38 PM | #24
There is a reason people love the EU, it has story that goes beyond a few movies . I personally will always love Vadar and he will always be more my favorite sithlord over Revan , but I know what is and ain't and Vadar cannot take Revan as a disfigured half robot who Palpitine made to lose if they had to come to fight.

Lucas saying 80% was a quick answer and probably not one that he honestly put time into thinking about.
Vadar in his suit was probably still 100x more powerful than Palpitine but the fact that most his power went into that suit made him harshly not as powerful as he could have been , and any well matured and powerful Jedi would have used that weakness.

You guys also have to take into account that alot of powerful jedi were not killed by Vadar but his Apprentice who by Lucas's own approval was more able to beat Vadar than anyone else before or after . Had it not been for Palpitine's own power , the empire would have ended with Vadar's defeat .

I think Galen Merek would have beat Revan , just because he had so much untapped power that let loss too often . Galen Merek pulled ships from space to planets below ............lol *** ! Vadar Trained him well and said he was very powerful, but Merek's willpower was toomuch to control !

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ptoss
02.15.2012 , 04:08 PM | #25
I appreciate a lot of the EU lore, but Vader will always be the de facto Sith Lord for me, despite his status as a cripple. Some fans were disappointed with his portrayal in the prequels, and the actor's performance had a lot to be desired, but the story was solid, and gave Vader some much needed backstory. Before, he was just this old dude in an awesome suit, and now we know what he could've been.

That drama will forever make Vader the most awesome Star Wars character.

Revan seems a bit bland in comparison. Sure he may be able to use both the dark and light side of the force, but not through any effort of his own.

Malgus is by far more interesting, sort of like an Anakin that embraced the power of the Sith, instead of forever pulling away and being indecisive.

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mefit
02.15.2012 , 04:56 PM | #26
Revan

1 Defeated the most powerful Threat of his time

2 Dominated the Republican in less years than Emperor Palpitine did and possibly is the reason why it took so long

3 Mastered the Lightside

4 Mastered the Darkside

5 Was a tool and overcame it

6 Was beat by his Apprentice and then later beat him

7 Most respected of his time


Vadar

1 was turned by a Sithlord

2 Was beat by Obi Wan x2, who was considered to be less powerful and less skilled

3 Was turned into a Disabled Monster who greatest kills where all from lesser powerful Jedi who have yet to achieve anything !

4 Was beat by Luke , a less powerful less skilled Jedi with less than accouple years in a crash course to learn the secrets of the Jedi

5 Was beaten by Galen Marek 2x canon approved and fact

You cannot even give him credit of taking over the Republic , all that is Emperor Palpitine . Palpitine beat Marek , and would have killed Luke if Vadar did commit suicide to kill Palpitine. OH YEAH Vadar died after he was shocked to death by Palpitine.

Vadar in the end was a tool to Palpitine and no more a threat than Maul who was weaker than almost most sithlords mentioned . Palpitine tried to turn Marek but being of more willpower turned it down and was killed by or maybe killed by Palpitine for it . Nothing really said on that part but I am sure Palpitine killed him being he is one evil Sithlord !

Palpitine loved tools , he knew they were no threat to him .

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Morticoccus
02.15.2012 , 05:04 PM | #27
I reserve a special place of loathing for Drew in my heart, right next to one of my pre-Vector prime favorite authors, just for killing off main characters and being an overall dick.

But I still can't bring myself to hate him or condemn the book as bad writing because while he didn't do Revan or the Exile justice, he made Lord Scourge, in my opinion the book was more about Scourge than either of the jedi, which is another reason I see the ending as unjustified. Revan was more or less tacked on just for the name.

I do like Lord Scourge though, he's an awesome character.
When all is said and done we're not the only ones who look at life this way: That's what the Sith lords say.
And if they'd ever change as that reminds to say. But every time I see them makes me wish I had a gun. If I thought that I was crazy well I guess I'd have more fun.

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BrandonSM
02.15.2012 , 05:49 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by mefit View Post
I hate the whole Cannon bs , Lucas has allowed his story to reach beyond the Cannon , movies , and books .

Vadar was a TOOL , a powerful one that did alot in his time to alot of nobodies .
Vadar lost to Obi-wan 2x, 1 resulting in his disfigurement and disability that destroyed his ability to control the force as he could prefight . He had to use most his energy with the force to help his movement as the Emperor made it so he had too to limit him if he came to ever fight the emperor !




2nd FIght Obi-wan had to give his life to Vadar so teh others could get away , something that Darth Malgus killed his own master over in "RETURN" .

Vadar's apprentice " Galen Marek " Beat Vadar 2x as well, both times Vadar with full hate could not stop !
Luke barely beat Vadar with Vadar holding back ! Vadar did not want to kill his son and in the end turned back to the light with his death finally breaking the Emperor's hold on him.

No question Anakin could have been great and if on equal terms could beat Revan but it was never to be equal and if they both met in their primes with everything done to them as it was , Revan would beat Vadar . Does not mean the fight would not be EPIC , it just means on some level Revan would be better .

Revan could never win again Palpitine , just would not happen no matter cannon or not. Emperor Vitiate in his own right was probably just as powerful as Palpitine and beat Revan without even breaking a sweat !

Palptine was a Coward and did not really believe in the Rule of Two and Vitiate never respected it as well . Vitiate never had a master really and learned most on his own as he was BORN OF THE FORCE . Palpitine feared his master as he feared anyone who could use the force that was not under his control . Palpitine never trained a Apprentice to beat him , because he wanted to rule forever where other sithlords want to die to a worthy Apprentice . If they are worthy the lose seems more respected than if they were weak . Palpitine thought Vadar was weak and wanted Vadar to train his own replacement , even Palpitine trained accouple on the side in hopes one could take Vadar's place !

Revan did not die in foundry , he did the same move that he did in the fight with Vitiate to try and get away . Haters just want Revan dead , just like Haters never give Vadar any props .
Vadar was a BEAST even with his disability and would not be a easy fight but Revan is a Beast as well and would win .

Your obviously a troll and considering no one even said anything about Vader in this thread proves your just a pure Vader Hater.

Considering so many have proven you guys wrong.
Hapan: "This creature has information that could lead us to a woman who has been kidnapped. We will get that information."
Luke: "This woman is a citizen of the New Republic, and if you do not take your hands off her, I will take your hands off you."

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TOBY_FLENDERSON
02.15.2012 , 05:50 PM | #29
Before you all get bummed up:

Spoiler


Overall book sets up game, and the game does Revan justice.
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BrandonSM
02.15.2012 , 05:51 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by TOBY_FLENDERSON View Post
Before you all get bummed up:

Spoiler


Overall book sets up game, and the game does Revan justice.
Aing Ti trick of Force Teleportation? Keep dreaming. Luke is a master of Force Teleportation, and yet he can't teleport himself.
Hapan: "This creature has information that could lead us to a woman who has been kidnapped. We will get that information."
Luke: "This woman is a citizen of the New Republic, and if you do not take your hands off her, I will take your hands off you."