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Make Biometric Crystal Alloy Not BoP

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Make Biometric Crystal Alloy Not BoP

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Obbu
02.14.2012 , 04:23 PM | #21
The BoP thing is fine.

The PvE only thing is dubious, at best.

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Yamirashi
02.14.2012 , 04:34 PM | #22
Ok, stop accusing everyone else of wanting everyone else's cookies and rewards... Here's the underlying problem.

At the current time, there are equivalent rewards for PVP and PVE gear. Are some slightly better from one than the other? Yes. Not really a problem. You PVP = you get good PVP gear. You PVE = you get good PVE gear. I think some people theorycraft a mixture of both gear gives the best results, don't care, that's fine. Doing both making you marginally better at both is okay. Doing both to make you marginally better at only one or the other, not so great.

However, there are NO level 50 Stims that I can craft for myself from leveling Biochem to 400 without doing PVE content. Not a single one. The closest I can get is to R/E a lvl 48 until I get a blue one, then R/E the blue one till I get a reusable purple.

I'm not asking for PVE rewards from PVP or vice versa, I'm asking for SOME reward from PVP in this area (Reusable Stims). Right now Rakata use PVE only mats and Exotech use PVE dropped schematics. So as wtih the earlier illustration, You PVE = you get two options for lvl 50 reusable Stims. You PVP = you get nothing.

Ask yourself this, if the only way to get the lvl 50 reusable stims were from PVP, would the PVE only crowd not be complaining?

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Yamirashi
02.14.2012 , 04:41 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Resinate View Post
just that you come across as someone that expects full compensation for half a job is all.
PVE players can get EVERYTHING they want to excel at PVE without ever touching PVP. No one can come in and do only PVP and then step in with better gear than someone who has put the same amount of time in PVE.

PVP cannot say the same. We get the gear, but the consumables are missing. Its not that we only want to do half the job, its that we don't want to do the OTHER job just to keep up.

Again how would the PVE only crowd like it if the only way to get these things were Battlemaster Bag drops? Then they would not only have to gear up for lvl 50 PVP but continue doing so until they achieved BM and then continue doing so until the RNG gods smiled upon them. This is the same situation for the PVP crowd now. We would have to gear up for PVE because PVP gear is not the best for PVE. Then we would have to find groups to do the content, beat the content, and hope that we win the roll in order to get the mats.

If the rolls were reversed the PVE crowd would feel just as cheated as the PVP crowd does now. The problem is we refuse to look at the game from any perspective but our own.

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Elrenia
02.14.2012 , 04:50 PM | #24
man, it's like this.. in games you make choices, those choices affect the outcome of your game play.. wether its to go pvp or pve based, or which craft skills you choose, which class/char/talent tree you choose.. you cant have everything, all of the time

if you ONLY want to PVP then you have to take the limitations that go with it.. you can easily make the purple stims without having to PVE at all which are only a smallest fraction worse than the rakata and if it bothers you that much, buy the exotech or whatever they are called from the GTM which are better

or if u are really troubled, the time you have spent on this forum, you could have done black talon a couple of times for the crystal alloy.. Talon takes 30 mins or so, and its easy a child could do it, and since you are an avid pvp i assume you have very nice pvp gear which is quite suitable for Pve since pvp gear is better than pve gear (until columi)

and for the record im an avid pvp'er, i hardly ever pve


and to compare a pve guy having to reach battlemaster rank to get his gear (which takes weeks unless u never sleep and play Wz'd 24 hours a day) compared to you who could run black talon in 20-30 mins and get the item you are moaning about. no comparison really is there

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Yamirashi
02.14.2012 , 04:56 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Elrenia View Post
man, it's like this.. in games you make choices, those choices affect the outcome of your game play.. wether its to go pvp or pve based, or which craft skills you choose, which class/char/talent tree you choose.. you cant have everything, all of the time

if you ONLY want to PVP then you have to take the limitations that go with it.. you can easily make the purple stims without having to PVE at all which are only a smallest fraction worse than the rakata and if it bothers you that much, buy the exotech or whatever they are called from the GTM which are better

or if u are really troubled, the time you have spent on this forum, you could have done black talon a couple of times for the crystal alloy.. Talon takes 20 mins or so, and its easy a child could do it, and since you are an avid pvp i assume you have very nice pvp gear which is quite suitable for Pve since pvp gear is better than pve gear (until columi)

and for the record im an avid pvp'er, i hardly ever pve
But when is there a limitation to the PVE crowd that make them have to PVP for something? OTHER than simply gear to PVP with. When is there something from PVP that the top raiders who like to min-max say "Dang, I have to go PVP for a while to get this?"

I don't mind the concept of PVP only can't have everything if PVE only can't have everything as well. Tired of being the red-headed-step-child. No offense to red-headed-step-children...

If I don't have to PVE to get the exotech stuff that's fine. I was unaware this was the case. However it still makes Biochem rather useless for someone who PVP's if even after leveling it to 400 I have to just go buy something someone else made to get equivalent stuff.

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Tattersalad
02.14.2012 , 04:59 PM | #26
yam,

the exotech adrenal thats BOE (535 stats) i talked about earlier is only 5% less of a bonus from the rakatta biochem required BOP adrenal (565 stats).

everyone,
i DO agree that there isnt a pvp adrenal, the people pro for this thread want a PVE adrenal to use in PVP, why dont you just ask them to put a pvp adrenal in the game that gives you... wait for it... expertise? i hear thats what pvpers use...

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Elrenia
02.14.2012 , 05:02 PM | #27
after all the nerfs biochem is becoming useless to everyone, pvp or pve, :P

and if people dont pvp, they lose out on good gear because the pvp gear is better than the pve lol , i've run all flashpoints i've done and even operations in pvp gear

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Sky_walkerPL
02.14.2012 , 05:27 PM | #28
Quote:
i DO agree that there isnt a pvp adrenal, the people pro for this thread want a PVE adrenal to use in PVP, why dont you just ask them to put a pvp adrenal in the game that gives you... wait for it... expertise? i hear thats what pvpers use...
Right, cause PvPers only use expertise. lol
Adrenals in PvP are as important as in PvE only used less commonly due to cost.
Besides there's also a matter of medpacks and stims crafted from bops which are ESSENTIAL for leading PvPer.

And I agree that something needs to be done to give PvPers a chance to buy BoP crafting materials withouth being forced to run PvE content. Cause let's face it: that's how it works.

Perhaps random mats box for 500 merc com? That would drop one randomly picked BoP material? Or a winning warzone have 50% to give one player from winning team a random BoP material? Or suggested BoE for all mats (bop mats to craft bop items is ridicioulus concept anyway)
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Yamirashi
02.14.2012 , 05:51 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Tattersalad View Post
yam,

the exotech adrenal thats BOE (535 stats) i talked about earlier is only 5% less of a bonus from the rakatta biochem required BOP adrenal (565 stats).

everyone,
i DO agree that there isnt a pvp adrenal, the people pro for this thread want a PVE adrenal to use in PVP, why dont you just ask them to put a pvp adrenal in the game that gives you... wait for it... expertise? i hear thats what pvpers use...
I had already suggested that earlier.. A Battlemaster Might Stim and such as opposed to the Rakata but the special mat for it is a drop from Battlemaster Bags.

And no, we need more than just expertise, but I wouldn't mind the Adrenals being Str+Expertise or something rather than Str+Pwr. Not saying its better one way or the other but that's an acceptable trade for PVE vs PVP.

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BlazingShadow
02.14.2012 , 05:58 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Mikeydecoy View Post
Forcing someone to run heroics for even a chance of getting one to make Rakata reusables, and then having to get 2 more if you want the "set", is absurd.

Either make it not BoP so I can buy them, or make a way to obtain it via PvP.

I'm not looking to hear if any diehard carebear tells me that my idea is bad for x reason, because it doesn't pertain to you and you should have no say in it. I'm also not looking to hear "TOR is a story driven PvE game with a PvP minigame" because I don't care and it doesn't matter how you play the game, it matters at least in the business sense that Bioware can accommodate the 2 biggest customers who the game is advertised for, PvEers and PvPers.

There is no reason to limit it to PvE because frankly you should realize not everyone wants to PvE. And don't tell me that whether you agree it should be more available I should do it anyway. I'm not sinking time without a guarantee of getting one, having to form a group and run through the instance in PvP gear and a PvP spec.

I've had a plethora of complaints about the game but I'm not one to cry about things or ragequit, clearly I am still playing. In spite of the fact that my AoE stun doesn't function, all my gear is stacked with useless accuracy, and Surge got nerfed, I still can enjoy the game.

But adding on top the fact that neckbeards who can and want to devote enough time for and enjoy PvE on top of PvP should get a boost in PvP simply because they can get a use out of their Crew Skill, which should inherently be usable by anyone who has it maxed, is downright terrible.
Do a raid, bro. FInd a PUG, do an 8man raid... like 8 alloys drop in raids, and it takes about the same time as 2 FPs to complete.