Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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darkcerb

02.15.2012 , 05:18 PM \| #971
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger Assuming the Pro-LFG crows is the majority. So far it's the same 10 or 15 people beating each other up. Not quite the cost-effective numbers BW needs to make it a priority. With only 11k views on this thread it was already a forgone conclusion that minority's would be arguing with minority's. But when even the other side for the most part readily admits that if the tool were introduced people would flock to it I think the point leans towards it's introduction. If judging from here. Given biowares flip flop from "not planning it" to "discussing it" tells me they have stats that have made them change there minds.

Sendrel

02.15.2012 , 05:20 PM \| #972
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger You are assuming the Pro-LFG crowd is the majority. Pretty safe assumption.

darkcerb

02.15.2012 , 05:21 PM \| #973
Quote: Originally Posted by Senatsu No, I was hoping that this would be a discussion regarding the negative and positive effects of a WoW-like LFD tool, and maybe even come up with solutions. All I see here is people bickering over nothing without being able to see the other side's points. I have shared my views several times in this thread, and I have acknowledged, respected and I even like the up sides of the LFD system, but due to my 7 years of experience in WoW where I have seen how it changes a community, I can't see any indication of the negative side-effects not happening. I have explained why I don't acknowledge the "optional" statement from pro-LFDers. I have explained what I saw happening to the community in WoW. I have explained what mentality changes we will see if it's implemented. I have explained the loss to a sense of accomplishment if it's implemented. I have explained that the speed of which you find groups won't increase, if you know how to use the ENTIRE chat system effectively. I have explained what options I would like in a LFG system. I have shown great admiration for the WoW patch 3.10 LFG system (the one before LFD) and the system Aion is currently using. The responses I have gotten is basically: You're wrong You're wrong You're wrong You're wrong Without any evidence, speculations, suggestions, approximations, previous experience in such systems or otherwise to refute my views and experience. If you manage to convince me that there is no chance in hell that the negative side-effects that occurred in WoW will happen here, I will tip my hat to you and I will join your side for a WoW LFD tool. No what you've given is "Here's why I think I'm right" And what we've given is "Here's why we think you're wrong" At least from me. And I know there will be negatives but I believe as I experienced in wow and rift the positives outweigh them. And to paraphrase you, convince me and I'll agree with you. Until then we will argue. That's the way debates work.

MalignX

02.15.2012 , 05:23 PM \| #974
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger You are assuming the Pro-LFG crowd is the majority. So far it's the same 10 or 15 people beating each other up in forum posts. Even if 200,000 wanted it, there's still the other 1.5 million who could either care less or don't want it. Not quite the cost-effective numbers BW needs to make it a priority. Everyone can make up numbers. I just found 2 million people that want it. See?
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GalacticKegger

02.15.2012 , 05:23 PM \| #975
Quote: Originally Posted by darkcerb With only 11k views on this thread it was already a forgone conclusion that minority's would be arguing with minority's. But when even the other side for the most part readily admits that if the tool were introduced people would flock to it I think the point leans towards it's introduction. If judging from here. Given biowares flip flop from "not planning it" to "discussing it" tells me they have stats that have made them change there minds. They'll always say "not planning it" at launch to prevent their focus from being diverted to areas of less need. Now that things are settling down a bit, they're softening their stance. At this point, everything other than bug fixing, character xfers, UI customization and new content additions is announced as "we're discussing it." That's like the people who were furious at launch that the game didn't have everything other games had because they hitched their wagons to a single line in a 2� year old press release. "At the same time, we will still deliver all the fun features and activities that fans have come to expect in a AAA massively multiplayer online game."
Can we please just have our pre-KotFE SWTOR MMORPG back?

yodimaster

02.15.2012 , 05:24 PM \| #976
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger You are assuming the Pro-LFG crowd is the majority. So far it's the same 10 or 15 people beating each other up in forum posts. Even if 200,000 wanted it, there's still the other 1.5 million who could either care less or don't want it. Not quite the cost-effective numbers BW needs to make it a priority. I don't assume the minority/majority. I look at BW/EA this way if they feel they can pull more ppl into the game by adding something as X-server LFG they might and its where I'm putting my eggs in the basket other than that I personally think it damages the community but I'm not going to waste time debating over it because in the end EA will have the final word! not BW! See the Madden and NBA Live (NBA ELITE) series........

ferroz

02.15.2012 , 05:25 PM \| #977
Quote: Originally Posted by Senatsu No, I was hoping that this would be a discussion regarding the negative and positive effects of a WoW-like LFD tool, and maybe even come up with solutions. All I see here is people bickering over nothing without being able to see the other side's points. I have shared my views several times in this thread, and I have acknowledged, respected and I even like the up sides of the LFD system, but due to my 7 years of experience in WoW where I have seen how it changes a community, I can't see any indication of the negative side-effects not happening. I have explained why I don't acknowledge the "optional" statement from pro-LFDers. I have explained what I saw happening to the community in WoW. I have explained what mentality changes we will see if it's implemented. I have explained the loss to a sense of accomplishment if it's implemented. I have explained that the speed of which you find groups won't increase, if you know how to use the ENTIRE chat system effectively. I have explained what options I would like in a LFG system. I have shown great admiration for the WoW patch 3.10 LFG system (the one before LFD) and the system Aion is currently using. The responses I have gotten is basically: You're wrong You're wrong You're wrong You're wrong That's because some of them are simple wrong. Some are speculation. And the rest are actually off topic for this particular thread, since they aren't "legitimate reasons to not have a lfd tool" and l've offered counter arguments to pretty much everything on your list; I can't say for sure if I responded to your posts in specific or not. maybe I'll go back and sum up a bit later. Quote: Without any evidence, speculations, suggestions, approximations, previous experience in such systems or otherwise to refute my views and experience. No, I'm pretty sure people have used the same sort of evidence you have when they contradict your claims. Several people have offered speculation and suggestions. Lots of people have talked about their previous experience. so this last bit ... kind of an absurd little addon. Quote: If you manage to convince me that there is no chance in hell that the negative side-effects that occurred in WoW will happen here, I will tip my hat to you and I will join your side for a WoW LFD tool. That's kind of off topic for the thread... (points at the thread title, and OP) which is one of the reasons you won't see many people doing that.
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MalignX

02.15.2012 , 05:25 PM \| #978
Quote: Originally Posted by Sporin Is it even about casual vrs hardcore? I personally think Im a social player, and believe it's more a case of being to nasty/mean to join a guild, or to just plain use a LFD tool to do as they please, abusing others along the way. Not one guildie i spoke to in WoW and Rift liked the idea, cus half the time you got some rude, unguilded person who was RPing a Mute. Of course being on a RP server likes it even harder, you end up with normal PvEers that act like eejits most of the time. The term was used VERY loosely. After wading through all the BS that has been this 2k+ page thread, it's what it seems like to me. I've never played on a RP server so I can't speculate, but I played WoW plenty and I never once ran into these mythical jerk ninjas everyone keeps talking about, at the very worst someone would get the loot they'd been after and then quit, but that certainly wasn't enough to ruin my day or vilify the RDF. Edit: Nor did I encounter some warm welcoming happy go lucky lovey community that some are claiming existed before it was introduced.
Just because I do not care, does not mean I do not understand.

souloferdrick

02.15.2012 , 05:28 PM \| #979
Quote: Originally Posted by Senatsu No, I was hoping that this would be a discussion regarding the negative and positive effects of a WoW-like LFD tool, and maybe even come up with solutions. All I see here is people bickering over nothing without being able to see the other side's points. I have shared my views several times in this thread, and I have acknowledged, respected and I even like the up sides of the LFD system, but due to my 7 years of experience in WoW where I have seen how it changes a community, I can't see any indication of the negative side-effects not happening. I have explained why I don't acknowledge the "optional" statement from pro-LFDers. I have explained what I saw happening to the community in WoW. I have explained what mentality changes we will see if it's implemented. I have explained the loss to a sense of accomplishment if it's implemented. I have explained that the speed of which you find groups won't increase, if you know how to use the ENTIRE chat system effectively. I have explained what options I would like in a LFG system. I have shown great admiration for the WoW patch 3.10 LFG system (the one before LFD) and the system Aion is currently using. The responses I have gotten is basically: You're wrong You're wrong You're wrong You're wrong Without any evidence, speculations, suggestions, approximations, previous experience in such systems or otherwise to refute my views and experience. If you manage to convince me that there is no chance in hell that the negative side-effects that occurred in WoW will happen here, I will tip my hat to you and I will join your side for a WoW LFD tool. Nothing positive could come from such a thing, as you well know from playing WoW. And that's not a knock on WoW or SWToR, they're not the problem. The problem is the players themselves. An LFD tool would be a great addition if it was used responsibly by rational adults but unfortunately, we're saddled with the exact opposite thus rendering any potential benefits moot. Its not that I have no faith in the devs to create a workable tool, I don't have any faith that the players will use it in a way that's not totally degenerated over time.

Senatsu

02.15.2012 , 05:29 PM \| #980
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz That's because some of them are simple wrong. Some are speculation. And the rest are actually off topic for this particular thread, since they aren't "legitimate reasons to not have a lfd tool" and l've offered counter arguments to pretty much everything on your list; I can't say for sure if I responded to your posts in specific or not. maybe I'll go back and sum up a bit later. No, I'm pretty sure people have used the same sort of evidence you have when they contradict your claims. Several people have offered speculation and suggestions. Lots of people have talked about their previous experience. so this last bit ... kind of an absurd little addon. That's kind of off topic for the thread... (points at the thread title, and OP) which is one of the reasons you won't see many people doing that. So my experiences are now speculation? I KNOW what happened to WoW after LFD, many people have said it to you. Several times. Very clearly, too. But you guys seem to just disregard it without giving it a thought at all. Since this thread is spiraling into grammar nazism and personal grudges anyway, why not? If you need us to convince you why we shouldn't have an LFD tool, is it too much to ask why you wish to go to such extremes and need one? When there are plenty of things that can be done before things turn so bad it's a requirement.

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