Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

LMAO! No you haven't... And you've been the worst at it. All you've ever done is just flat out say that my argument was wrong without any cogent retort, and that's the few times when you're not completely misrepresenting my position entirely. You once claimed I said something and actually quoted me saying the exact opposite in the same post... lol

Claiming that I haven't laid out the arguments is just a lame excuse to avoid your inability to refute them.

I'm genuinely curious about this mentality: do you honestly think that BW won't make their LFD tool cross server sooner rather than later?

So glad I missed that, arguing these points in wow rift and now swtor would have killed me.

I'm surprised they didn't consider all of this before the game launched.

You never debunked anything. And flagging my post to you was pretty lame man. I would never do that to you. But you go ahead and have your fun. I'm out for now.

whatever friend. My post history is there I'm not hiding it and neither are you whether you want to or not and I'm just not see'ing it with anything you've said in this thread.

That tool, you going to enlighten us with your magical alternative?

Cause I have faith you wouldn't just have used it as a shallow pretext to trap someone into admitting something that when viewed a very specific way could be seen to support your view as far as I can determine your view at all.

You are assuming the Pro-LFG crowd is the majority. So far it's the same 10 or 15 people beating each other up in forum posts. Even if 200,000 wanted it, there's still the other 1.5 million who could either care less or don't want it. Not quite the cost-effective numbers BW needs to make it a priority.

No, I was hoping that this would be a discussion regarding the negative and positive effects of a WoW-like LFD tool, and maybe even come up with solutions. All I see here is people bickering over nothing without being able to see the other side's points. I have shared my views several times in this thread, and I have acknowledged, respected and I even like the up sides of the LFD system, but due to my 7 years of experience in WoW where I have seen how it changes a community, I can't see any indication of the negative side-effects not happening.

I have explained why I don't acknowledge the "optional" statement from pro-LFDers.
I have explained what I saw happening to the community in WoW.
I have explained what mentality changes we will see if it's implemented.
I have explained the loss to a sense of accomplishment if it's implemented.
I have explained that the speed of which you find groups won't increase, if you know how to use the ENTIRE chat system effectively.
I have explained what options I would like in a LFG system.
I have shown great admiration for the WoW patch 3.10 LFG system (the one before LFD) and the system Aion is currently using.

The responses I have gotten is basically:

You're wrong
You're wrong
You're wrong
You're wrong

Without any evidence, speculations, suggestions, approximations, previous experience in such systems or otherwise to refute my views and experience. If you manage to convince me that there is no chance in hell that the negative side-effects that occurred in WoW will happen here, I will tip my hat to you and I will join your side for a WoW LFD tool.

Is it even about casual vrs hardcore?

I personally think Im a social player, and believe it's more a case of being to nasty/mean to join a guild, or to just plain use a LFD tool to do as they please, abusing others along the way.

Not one guildie i spoke to in WoW and Rift liked the idea, cus half the time you got some rude, unguilded person who was RPing a Mute.

Of course being on a RP server likes it even harder, you end up with *normal PvEers that act like eejits most of the time.

*The term was used VERY loosely.

Yes, I did. I pointed out that you were using flawed logic, 2 post hoc arguments. I spelled the logic flaw out in detail and showed that your supposed support did not, in any way, support your claim

You haven't supplied a single bit of factual evidence to support that claim.

I mean, I totally understand why... your position is totally false, so you actually CAN'T support it... and since it's not possible to support it, you do all of this tap dancing, where you pretend like you've supported it.

I'm pretty sure I didn't flag any of your posts... maybe someone else did?