Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

Who is going to go on record and admit theyre too inadequate, for whatever reason, to find a group? No, they all pose as highly degree'd university professors, who, through no fault of their own, cannot find a group.

well I edited it.

You're also missing something that you're going to hate. There is a reason random is better.

Lets take one of your arguments. There were and are people in WoW and likely here, that are not good at raiding or grouping. That is absolutely true and without argument by anyone.

If you are doing something only in-server those people could easily be well known and get blacklisted for being bad. You, being a young player who has all sorts of time to play, would say they should get better at the game and deserve to be black listed.

Me being a older and more mature would say that even bad players should be able to experience content.

There is a line between ruining content with how bad someone is and making it harder but doable with a bad player.

Random x-server allows bad players to play content they would not be able to.

That is less important to me than casual players, but it still is a reason.

The fallacy in your arguments is all of the personal assumptions that you make. You want to make this debate personal when it isn't. I'm not nearly as young as you want to think I am, and setting yourself up as "mature" is a fairly lame thing to do, especially in light of your recent childish posts.

People get blacklisted for a reason. The worst of them because they are jerks. Bad players may improve, if given a chance, or they may not. I once had to patiently explain to a Druid in WoW (which was my main class) why it was not a good thing to queue as a healer in tank spec/gear. That's stupid that you just can't fix with a baseball bat.

What you want is for bad players to be able to run content. But bad players fail content unless the content gets tuned to them. The random groups ARE the worst way to make a group, and making those groups the standard for the game is a very bad thing.

We could have tools that were game-wide that anyone could see from anywhere, flagging ourselves for the content we want to run, listing our spec. Our current tool is so counter-intuitive that no one uses it very much. Some people don't even know it exists. A stand-alone tool could solve the problem without having to go to the extremes of cross-server random crap.

But... As we have witnessed here, some people will not support such a tool, even if it gets them groups, because the groups aren't really what they want. And I take criticism for saying that some people want an "IWIN" button..?

I was right all along...

The fallacy in your arguments is all of the personal assumptions that you make. You want to make this debate personal when it isn't. I'm not nearly as young as you want to think I am, and setting yourself up as "mature" is a fairly lame thing to do, especially in light of your recent childish posts.

People get blacklisted for a reason. The worst of them because they are jerks. Bad players may improve, if given a chance, or they may not. I once had to patiently explain to a Druid in WoW (which was my main class) why it was not a good thing to queue as a healer in tank spec/gear. That's stupid that you just can't fix with a baseball bat.

What you want is for bad players to be able to run content. But bad players fail content unless the content gets tuned to them. The random groups ARE the worst way to make a group, and making those groups the standard for the game is a very bad thing.

We could have tools that were game-wide that anyone could see from anywhere, flagging ourselves for the content we want to run, listing our spec. Our current tool is so counter-intuitive that no one uses it very much. Some people don't even know it exists. A stand-alone tool could solve the problem without having to go to the extremes of cross-server random crap.

But... As we have witnessed here, some people will not support such a tool, even if it gets them groups, because the groups aren't really what they want. And I take criticism for saying that some people want an "IWIN" button..?

I was right all along...

But... As we have witnessed here, some people will not support such a tool, even if it gets them groups, because the groups aren't really what they want. And I take criticism for saying that some people want an "IWIN" button..?

I was right all along...

I'm sorry but I have to laugh, I had a feeling that was your ultimate "ploy"

Go ahead and give us your alternative now that you've had your fun.

I'm curious.

I was running heroics in guild for quite some time after that without nerfs, got a link to those claims?

Besides anything the hard content is still there, raids hard mode raids and here a level above. Nightmare mode.

That's what I don't understand about your argument, unless you just want an extra layer of gear between you and the un-washed masses?

All that changes is the volume of groups and what bioware does with that data is outside the scope of this thread.

... so I see you still have not looked into how WoW currently does their LFD and the new plans to improve upon it.

I also see the only thing you've offered is a game-wide system, yet you've spent the last 20 pages arguing against ANYTHING cross-server(now I'm sure you will say you never said no cross-server, you said no RANDOM cross-server, which everyone here will know is compelte b.s. and you will have less credibility than you do now)

What we witnessed is you are clearly a kid who just wants to have a gear score no one else except other people who play as much as you do can approach.

and you are wrong - there may be a few ppl(just like there are a few ppl who dont want lfd) who would not support a tool like you describe - the bottom line is this - if there is a tool that allows casual/regular players access to content without having to sit around forever and spam a channel for it - it would be supported.

The tool WoW is using right now(ability to add friends for future grouping etc.) is a good one.

sorry you hate it

It's not that I can't find a group. It's that it takes long enough to find these groups that it's not worth my time; Add in that if someone has a connection issue, or an emergency and has to log off, it's a major inconvenience.

... so I see you still have not looked into how WoW currently does their LFD and the new plans to improve upon it.

I also see the only thing you've offered is a game-wide system, yet you've spent the last 20 pages arguing against ANYTHING cross-server(now I'm sure you will say you never said no cross-server, you said no RANDOM cross-server, which everyone here will know is compelte b.s. and you will have less credibility than you do now)

What we witnessed is you are clearly a kid who just wants to have a gear score no one else except other people who play as much as you do can approach.

and you are wrong - there may be a few ppl(just like there are a few ppl who dont want lfd) who would not support a tool like you describe - the bottom line is this - if there is a tool that allows casual/regular players access to content without having to sit around forever and spam a channel for it - it would be supported.

The tool WoW is using right now(ability to add friends for future grouping etc.) is a good one.

sorry you hate it