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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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ferroz
02.15.2012 , 04:03 PM | #881
Quote: Originally Posted by Taroen View Post
Are you claiming that those people don't exist..?
THey exist, with or without a random finder
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With a random finder you're stuck with those people, and that makes those groups, that are put together in that way, vastly inferior to any other form of grouping. Even the basic PUG.
False; just like a random pug they can be kicked. And since they're nigh instantly replaced, that's far superior to a current basic pug.

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It's happened before.
This does not support your position one iota. you have 2 logical fallacies going on.
  • The fact that it happened before does not mean that it will definitely happen again.
  • The fact that nerfs happened after the lfd tool does not mean that they were caused by the lfd tool

So, you have yet to offer a single non-fallacious bit of support for your claim.

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darkcerb
02.15.2012 , 04:04 PM | #882
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
More players, more dps to satisfy, more anti social people, more idiots, more, more more. I am acknowledging the more.
More decent people, more tanks more healers.

Now your closer to acknowledging them all.

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PjPablo
02.15.2012 , 04:04 PM | #883
Quote: Originally Posted by souloferdrick View Post
Once idiots and undergeared folk looking for a free ride become prevalent in LFD groups, the call goes out to nerf content, impose draconian loot rules and force minimum gear standards.
While I don't agree x-server LFD queues lead to content nerfs I would absolutely support requirements for queuing for things like HMs.

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Taroen
02.15.2012 , 04:06 PM | #884
Quote: Originally Posted by PjPablo View Post
Don't use it then. You can continue to put your crack, elite PUGs together in order to keep facerollin' content. I'll do fine with the 'lowest common denominator'.


As an aside I do get a good laugh out of people being elite in a super casual, incredibly easy MMO. It's really quite funny.
It's a stupid argument to make that we can just not use it. Adding a cross-server random instant finder ala WoW changes the game for EVERYONE. And on top of that, there are much better ways to implement tools to help people find groups.

Honeslty... If you love WoW's tool so much, why aren't you using it now..? I'm not saying that you should leave Star Wars, but just ask yourself... If that system is so awesome, why aren't you in queue there right now?

Because it ISN'T awesome. It's lame. We need comprehensive tools for players to create groups, not a fail random queue.

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ferroz
02.15.2012 , 04:07 PM | #885
Quote: Originally Posted by souloferdrick View Post
Once idiots and undergeared folk looking for a free ride become prevalent in LFD groups, the call goes out to nerf content, impose draconian loot rules and force minimum gear standards.
Speculation, not fact. Maybe there will be calls for nerfs that wouldn't have happened without the tool; it's impossible to know.

Even if there are calls for nerfs that wouldn't have happened without a lfd tool, that doesn't mean that those nerfs will happen. Or that any nerfs that do happen are the result of those calls for nerfs.


The tool simply does not cause the nerfs.

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ferroz
02.15.2012 , 04:08 PM | #886
Quote: Originally Posted by Taroen View Post
It's a stupid argument to make that we can just not use it.
I have guild members in wow that never use the lfd to find members. They always queue up in a full group.

it's absurd to claim that you are forced to use it when you're not.

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PjPablo
02.15.2012 , 04:09 PM | #887
Quote: Originally Posted by Taroen View Post
It's a stupid argument to make that we can just not use it. Adding a cross-server random instant finder ala WoW changes the game for EVERYONE. And on top of that, there are much better ways to implement tools to help people find groups.

Honeslty... If you love WoW's tool so much, why aren't you using it now..? I'm not saying that you should leave Star Wars, but just ask yourself... If that system is so awesome, why aren't you in queue there right now?

Because it ISN'T awesome. It's lame. We need comprehensive tools for players to create groups, not a fail random queue.
Ahh there it is. The "Go back to WOW" argument. They need to add that to Godwin's.

I do play WOW still. LFR, which would probably cause heads to explode here, is one of the best features they have added. So many more people get to raid now and for the Hardcore crowd there is still the harder level content. Everyone gets what they want.

X-Server changes nothing for those that choose not to use it. Absolutely nothing.

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Taroen
02.15.2012 , 04:09 PM | #888
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
THey exist, with or without a random finder
False; just like a random pug they can be kicked. And since they're nigh instantly replaced, that's far superior to a current basic pug.
No, they can't. Unless they've changed it, if someone gets kicked from a group, they can't get kicked again for quite some time. Lame.

Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
This does not support your position one iota. you have 2 logical fallacies going on.
  • The fact that it happened before does not mean that it will definitely happen again.
  • The fact that nerfs happened after the lfd tool does not mean that they were caused by the lfd tool

So, you have yet to offer a single non-fallacious bit of support for your claim.
Actually I have. Several times. I'm not walking you through it again.

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darkcerb
02.15.2012 , 04:11 PM | #889
Quote: Originally Posted by Taroen View Post
It's a stupid argument to make that we can just not use it. Adding a cross-server random instant finder ala WoW changes the game for EVERYONE. And on top of that, there are much better ways to implement tools to help people find groups.

Honeslty... If you love WoW's tool so much, why aren't you using it now..? I'm not saying that you should leave Star Wars, but just ask yourself... If that system is so awesome, why aren't you in queue there right now?

Because it ISN'T awesome. It's lame. We need comprehensive tools for players to create groups, not a fail random queue.
Your logic is a lie.

I'm not playing wow because i've played it for 7 years and I'm bored of it not because of the tool.

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Taroen
02.15.2012 , 04:11 PM | #890
Quote: Originally Posted by PjPablo View Post
Ahh there it is. The "Go back to WOW" argument. They need to add that to Godwin's.
Dude... I JUST said in that very thing that you quoted that "I'm not saying you should leave Star Wars".

Quote: Originally Posted by PjPablo View Post
I do play WOW still. LFR, which would probably cause heads to explode here, is one of the best features they have added. So many more people get to raid now and for the Hardcore crowd there is still the harder level content. Everyone gets what they want.

X-Server changes nothing for those that choose not to use it. Absolutely nothing.
Untrue. It changes everything. Cross-server sucks. Random sucks. So many better options, but you cling to the worst ones.