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Laylla
02.15.2012 , 03:03 PM | #821
All I'm seeing here is a bunch of people making something complicated when it really shouldn't be.

I play WoW. Have played for about 6 years. I've never killed Illidan, never killed Arthas. never got to progress in Naxx. Not because I didn't want to, but because my job is demanding and I couldn't commit to a raid group. Also due to work, sitting around in Stormwind yelling for groups was getting me nowhere.

Getting gear was not an option for me.

Enter the LFG tool, and later on, the LFR tool. I just recently helped defeat Deathwing, something I would have never had the chance to do without this tool. My gear isn't top notch (yet! lol) but its MUCH better than before.

Now I'm here, and find I abandoned 2/3 of the heroics and have done ONE FP since I've started. My character, by the way, is 49.

It's frustrating to sit in an area, yelling out " LFG (insert mission here)" for hours and days and get nothing in return but dead air.

I can't speak for the other servers, but my server, which is supposed to be an RP server, is not as social as you would expect. It's like most of the place has gone into some gaming trance and the one "awake" person is left screaming out "LFG" to a void.

And this WITHOUT an LFG tool. Tell me, how could such a tool make it worse?

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harpuax
02.15.2012 , 03:04 PM | #822
Quote: Originally Posted by darkcerb View Post
And I need to obey your rules of debate until you can do your dramatic reveal?

How about you present your point in full first and then I'll answer it. Sound fair? doesn't matter that's my arbitrary rule of debate. And you have to obey it or not expect any kind of respectful response.

Your way of debating is fun, I should do it more often.
I am not debating anything, I am just asking simple questions. It is your choice to answer them or not.

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darkcerb
02.15.2012 , 03:05 PM | #823
Quote: Originally Posted by Taroen View Post
Read it again... Slowly.

I never said that more people seeing content leads to nerfs. Not once.

In fact, the part before you highlighted specifically states that more people running the content is a GOOD thing.

It's the random cross-server aspects that are bad.
Your point is that green groups(your words) will run instances.

Kinda vague, but my point is that already happens so the only change is the volume and then the rest of my post.

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Nicain
02.15.2012 , 03:05 PM | #824
Quote: Originally Posted by harpuax View Post
I did not ask if the content is nerfed due to more people running it. I asked if the content is too hard for some people, should they not be allowed to run more content as well? In other words, should some people be excluded from content?
Its not unreasonable to assume some people won't be able to complete all tiers of raid content, that's why it's considered tiers. In EVERY mmo game, each player is placed on a path where they can reach and finish all the end game content, but not all players do, nor should they.

You are not be excluded from content access, your abilities are making it so you cannot complete said content. If 25% of the players can figure it out with no issue, 50% does do with significant issue, but 25% never completes it, that looks like a well designed raid boss honestly.

If you disagree then you either don't want challenge to your raids, or you're one of the people who never really made it to an MMO's endgame and just want to spoil the fun for the rest of us who want some sort of challenge. And the above stratification is a good way to determine if a raid event is scripted well.

Hell, I remember Plane of Time in Everquest, most all of the QQers here would have never downed Quarm, because you had to tier through the entire Plane of Time collecting gear to finish the content.

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Taroen
02.15.2012 , 03:06 PM | #825
Quote: Originally Posted by Laylla View Post
All I'm seeing here is a bunch of people making something complicated when it really shouldn't be.

I play WoW. Have played for about 6 years. I've never killed Illidan, never killed Arthas. never got t progress in Naxx. Not because I didn't want to, but because my job is demanding and I couldn't commit to a raid group. Also due to work, sitting around in Stormwind yelling for groups was getting me nowhere.

Getting gear was not an option for me.

Enter the LFG tool, and later on, the LFR tool. I just recently helped defeat Deathwing, something I would have never had the chance to do without this tool. My gear isn't top not (yet! lol) but its MUCH better than before.

Now I'm here, and find I abandoned 2/3 of the heroics and have done ONE FP since I've started. My character, by the way, is 49.

It's frustrating to sit in an area, yelling out " LFG (insert mission here)" for hours and days and get nothing in return but dead air.

I can't speak for the other servers, but my server, which is supposed to be an RP server, is not as social as you would expect. It's like most of the place has gone into some gaming trance and the one "awake" person is left screaming out "LFG" to a void.

And this WITHOUT am LFG tool. Tell me, how could such a tool make it worse?
A tool IS needed, but there are a lot of ways to vastly improve the ability to get groups for people like you without going to the cross-server random extreme.

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GalacticKegger
02.15.2012 , 03:06 PM | #826
LOL. Show real statistics either way or it isn't happening. Otherwise it's all subjective with no right and wrong. Yet another debate that nobody wins. Isn't there a game to play?
Can we please just have our pre-KotFE SWTOR MMORPG back?

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darkcerb
02.15.2012 , 03:07 PM | #827
Quote: Originally Posted by harpuax View Post
I am not debating anything, I am just asking simple questions. It is your choice to answer them or not.
And my choice is already there after you make yours, I'd say it was good talking to you but we didn't really talk you walked up to me and said

"Obey my arbitrary rules for talking and answer this question:"

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Senatsu
02.15.2012 , 03:07 PM | #828
Quote: Originally Posted by PjPablo View Post
You dont have kids do you?
Nope, but whenever I do get kids I won't jump head first into a game, much less a game genre that is famous for being a long term and time consuming enterprise.

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PjPablo
02.15.2012 , 03:07 PM | #829
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
LOL. Show real statistics either way or it isn't happening. Otherwise it's all subjective with no right and wrong. Yet another debate that nobody wins. Isn't there a game to play?
Kinda sad when the forums are a bigger draw than the game.

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Senatsu
02.15.2012 , 03:09 PM | #830
Quote: Originally Posted by PjPablo View Post
Kinda sad when the forums are a bigger draw than the game.
Fuels the human need for discussion and debate. At least it does for me. A bit hard to start a talk like this in Trade, all those bastards posting LFG requests and try to sell crap. How dare they!
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