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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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PjPablo
02.15.2012 , 02:43 PM | #801
Quote: Originally Posted by Taroen View Post
No one is claiming that. Please put your strawman away.
Then please explain your position. I looked at your posts and you are saying that content becomes easier due to cross-server queues. If I am misinterpreting you please correct me.

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darkcerb
02.15.2012 , 02:43 PM | #802
Quote: Originally Posted by Taroen View Post
No one is claiming that. Please put your strawman away.
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Terrible analogy. But, for argument sakes, let's use it. Let's say you add mcdonald's in to a town which can already barely support the fine dining establishment. What's going to happen to said fine dining establishment with the new competition, it will fail, and go under. Meanwhile, the Mcdonald's, which gets all the highway traffic exclusively, doesn't.
So, you end up with a Mcdonald's and no fine dining... hmmm, that worked out well. Yeah, that's a bad analogy too, but still better than the original.
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So you agree more people should be able to run group content. Suppose the content is too hard for some people, should they not be allowed to run more content as well?
Plenty of people are claiming just that.

feel free to fill me in on your problem with the cross server tool.

Atm All I can see is "I don't like it"

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darkcerb
02.15.2012 , 02:45 PM | #803
Quote: Originally Posted by harpuax View Post
I did not ask if the content is nerfed due to more people running it. I asked if the content is too hard for some people, should they not be allowed to run more content as well? In other words, should some people be excluded from content?
No.

And with a cross server tool they wont.

If your next argument is to jump up and down and say "Then we need to get them into raids! they'll need to be nerfed!"

Then I point out that this thread is about a cross server tool, a raid tool being an entirely different can of beans for another day.

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PjPablo
02.15.2012 , 02:45 PM | #804
Quote: Originally Posted by harpuax View Post
I did not ask if the content is nerfed due to more people running it. I asked if the content is too hard for some people, should they not be allowed to run more content as well? In other words, should some people be excluded from content?
Accessing content and completing it are two completely different things. Cross-server queues allow people simply to access that content. Whether they complete it is up to them. I do think it is fair to expect that some won't be able to complete all difficulties of content due to any number of factors, but they should still be able to gain access in an expeditious manner and x-server queues allow for that.

EDIT: One way to control accessing differing levels is via gear levels, just like WOW did. (Just using as an example)

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Touchbass
02.15.2012 , 02:46 PM | #805
Quote: Originally Posted by PjPablo View Post
The only reason people would use the cross-server queues with all things being equal? Because it works. There is a reason why people don't tend to use the current LFG tool. Adoption is a great measure of success.
I never understood the whole campaign to educate people on the current tool and how to use it more effectively. Yes, it'll cause a slight increase in performance but nothing will change the fact that the tool doesn't work. It's like teaching abstinence is the best way to reduce teen pregancy when we know for a fact people are going to what to have sex and the best way to deal with it is to use solutions that work like condoms, open dialogue on matter and Plan B.
Our lack of a proper LFD tool will black out the sun!
Then we shall cancel our subs in the shade!

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Laylla
02.15.2012 , 02:47 PM | #806
Quote: Originally Posted by boobaffet View Post
Well he want an argument against LFG tool.

I honestly dont give a ****.

If its cross server than you can be sure ill start trolling 10 time more and ninja everything.
Welcome to life.

And this is where the community forums come into play. You would be amazed how fast someones less than desirable reputation moves about the internet. All it takes is one post, so dont give a ****.

Neither will we.

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Derekloffin
02.15.2012 , 02:49 PM | #807
Quote: Originally Posted by darkcerb View Post
Plenty of people are claiming just that.

feel free to fill me in on your problem with the cross server tool.

Atm All I can see is "I don't like it"
Why are you quoting me when you say this? Where in my post did I say current content would get nerfed? Hell, where did I even talk about the game in that statement (I was picking apart a terrible analogy).

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Blotter
02.15.2012 , 02:49 PM | #808
Quote: Originally Posted by harpuax View Post
How the tool should work

Step 1) Set yourself as LFG for whatever you are LFG for (state class, role whatever).

Step 2) Look at list and choose members for your party. (they can be from your server or all servers)

Step 3) Run Flashpoint (or whatever)

What is so hard about a tool that does this? Why would anyone need it to be any easier than this? I mean really, if this is difficult in anyway you probably shouldn't be even using a computer.
That's what the current tool does other than cross server availability.

BTW, your cat dieeeeeeed....POSTER IS DEAD.
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darkcerb
02.15.2012 , 02:49 PM | #809
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Well he want an argument against LFG tool.

I honestly dont give a ****.

If its cross server than you can be sure ill start trolling 10 time more and ninja everything.
Welcome to life.
I love that the argument against the lfg system often falls to this when they run out of steam.

You'll become the problem you're insisting is rampant.

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Taroen
02.15.2012 , 02:51 PM | #810
Quote: Originally Posted by PjPablo View Post
Then please explain your position. I looked at your posts and you are saying that content becomes easier due to cross-server queues. If I am misinterpreting you please correct me.
You are misinterpreting... and I think it's a genuine miscommunication on my part.

The fact that more people are running content is not what leads to it being dumbed down. More people running content is a GOOD thing. It's the random aspect, and the cross-server aspect, that leads to the standard group being the lowest common denominator. There are several reasons why such a group would be inferior to a standard PUG. I guarantee you that a random group of greenies is not going to faceroll any of the HM flashpoints, if they even clear it at all. If you make that group the standard group for the game, then it leads us to the point where a significant majority of groups are failing the content, and it will get nerfed badly.

I support an array of options to improve people's ability to find and make groups for flashpoints and heroic 4s, but I completely oppose any cross-server or random aspects.