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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Uruare
02.13.2012 , 10:00 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Emeda View Post
Here to make it wasier for you.

What was the reason for LFR? So players could see content

What was it used for? An easy way to get loot

People did not run it to see content because you could actually ignore most of the mechanics of the fight and have 5-10 people afk and still kill it.

So in conclusion it was not used for what it was intended for but instead was ran because it was a fast easy way to get loot.

Free epics for all was the only reason people ran it. IF 10 million people bought SWTOR to make a huge bonfire then you would say that the game was great because 10 million copies sold?

You...really think Blizzard's staffed, designed, engineered and marketed by an autistic goldfish?

You'd have to if you believe that they were somehow unaware that in their gear-driven game wherein loot acquisition is the be-all and ultimate end-all of character progression, that people wouldn't be using LFR and LFD alike for loot.

Yeah, it's definitely easy mode. It's so easy that the people that haven't been motivated by the loot-lure to raid before can get in there, get some loot, maybe pick up a fondness for raiding while they're at it and want to stick around for X more years doing what WoW does best; raidy gear-grindy game stuff.

It's so easy that the people that have been howling for years that they couldn't see the content for reasons A through Z now have very little left to gripe about; there it is. There's the Cataclysm raid; more will come in the future and be LFR'd. Have some gimped down tier gear for your trouble, thanks for paying and playing.


Seriously, they're not nearly so stupid as you must believe them to be if you honestly think they didn't both expect and -count on- that.

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MalignX
02.13.2012 , 10:00 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Emeda View Post
Why are you on the forums instead of playing the game?
Why are you?
Just because I do not care, does not mean I do not understand.

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Optimism
02.13.2012 , 10:02 PM | #73
I just realized another thing...

If LFD or to a certain extent, LFR gets implemented, content gets nerfed! Sorry guys but I'm signing off on this. It's too good to pass up. I get to be a douche, and content gets nerfed making it easier for me to use my dice philosophy. (If the dice is white, it's alright).

That also means I don't have to try as hard as I do right now. If I land a group with two sorcerer's, I can easily let those two carry me and act like I'm doing something. Even a healer sorcerer does decent damage anyway.

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Nitewolfe
02.13.2012 , 10:03 PM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by mothear View Post
Well as there was 12 million when it was introduced I accept your sarcasm as fact

actually the numbers grow during wotlk even after cross server lfg. It grew a full year after cross server lfd as a matter of fact.
The numbers didnt start falling till cata which was when they make the mistake of making content harder and make the choice to reuse old content as new content. That is what made the numbers start to fall. Ldf had zero to do with it since the numbers did not decline till a year after cross server lfd was put in game!

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Zenehre
02.13.2012 , 10:03 PM | #75
They need to streamline finding a group yes. Adding a feature to help you group with people on your server, no matter what planet, or what instance of that planet they were in, would solve almost every problem anybody has currently, with the exception of empty servers (who should probably get some kind of character transfer and then that too, will be fixed).

Cross server anything is one of the most toxic things i've ever had the misfortune of experiencing in an mmo. To use WoW as an example, the people who like cross-server, probably didn't play WoW before and after its release, and are used to the convenience, without knowing what they're trading for that.

The cold hard fact of the matter, is that server's DO grow communities (outside of your own guild even! /gasp). If you played vanilla WoW you can relate. You knew by name that enemy player who played circles around everybody else in the battleground. You recognized players who ran battlegrounds often and you knew you could trust to play their role properly (and probably invited them to premades at some later point). That guild being the only ones to have completed a certain encounter on your server gave you a certain respect for people wearing that tag. If you were in a PvP guild, you would learn the names of other PvP guilds by which tags you saw constantly in warzones, so you could expect a harder fight against people wearing those tags since you knew they PvP'd often.

None of that is possible with cross-server LFG or warzones. You don't learn anybody's name, you don't care about their guild, and you don't form lasting connections. Why should you? Odds are, you'll never see that person again anyways.

TL,DR: Add a system to group with people from your own server, no matter what planet or instance of a planet they are on and voila, problems solved.

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Orisai
02.13.2012 , 10:05 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Optimism View Post
I just realized another thing...

If LFD or to a certain extent, LFR gets implemented, content gets nerfed! Sorry guys but I'm signing off on this. It's too good to pass up. I get to be a douche, and content gets nerfed making it easier for me to use my dice philosophy. (If the dice is white, it's alright).

That also means I don't have to try as hard as I do right now. If I land a group with two sorcerer's, I can easily let those two carry me and act like I'm doing something. Even a healer sorcerer does decent damage anyway.
Content doesn't get nerfed. In fact a third, easier than Normal mode is added ONLY for LFR so everyone can at least SEE and EXPERIENCE the content, which IMO for a heavy story-driven MMO is great. Normal and Hard modes will be there and be the same during current Patch's lifecycle until the next tier of content and a new step in difficulty is added.
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Nitewolfe
02.13.2012 , 10:05 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by Emeda View Post
Why are you on the forums instead of playing the game?
waiting on load screens! i have the forums open on one of my 3 monitors. i am a very good multi tasker!

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MalignX
02.13.2012 , 10:06 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by Optimism View Post
I just realized another thing...

If LFD or to a certain extent, LFR gets implemented, content gets nerfed! Sorry guys but I'm signing off on this. It's too good to pass up. I get to be a douche, and content gets nerfed making it easier for me to use my dice philosophy. (If the dice is white, it's alright).

That also means I don't have to try as hard as I do right now. If I land a group with two sorcerer's, I can easily let those two carry me and act like I'm doing something. Even a healer sorcerer does decent damage anyway.
Again, this is a you problem, not a game mechanic problem.
Just because I do not care, does not mean I do not understand.

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Asurai
02.13.2012 , 10:06 PM | #79
LFD is the greatest tool ever and most likely on of the reason WOW kept this many suscruber for that long.Noone want to play a game when you are stuck on a low pop realm with your max level character and there is no one to play with when you are on.

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Nitewolfe
02.13.2012 , 10:07 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by Uruare View Post
You...really think Blizzard's staffed, designed, engineered and marketed by an autistic goldfish?

You'd have to if you believe that they were somehow unaware that in their gear-driven game wherein loot acquisition is the be-all and ultimate end-all of character progression, that people wouldn't be using LFR and LFD alike for loot.

Yeah, it's definitely easy mode. It's so easy that the people that haven't been motivated by the loot-lure to raid before can get in there, get some loot, maybe pick up a fondness for raiding while they're at it and want to stick around for X more years doing what WoW does best; raidy gear-grindy game stuff.

It's so easy that the people that have been howling for years that they couldn't see the content for reasons A through Z now have very little left to gripe about; there it is. There's the Cataclysm raid; more will come in the future and be LFR'd. Have some gimped down tier gear for your trouble, thanks for paying and playing.


Seriously, they're not nearly so stupid as you must believe them to be if you honestly think they didn't both expect and -count on- that.
BRAVO!!! well said!