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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Senatsu
02.15.2012 , 12:26 PM | #701
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
What you think about this?
http://i.imgur.com/GC5SR.jpg
To see the thread this came from go to http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=191286
Wow. I love it. So you can see the classes/roles the group/person needs for either a FP or group quest and all you have to do is right click to send a request to join? Sounds very much like the Aion version.

Very nice, me likey.

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Moricthian
02.15.2012 , 12:28 PM | #702
Quote: Originally Posted by Fredder View Post
plain and simple, i played WoW for 4 years. i let my buddy play on my pc while i played skyrim. hes never played wow or any other mmo. he lvled himselft to lvl 15 then stood around in Org queing for LFG till lvl 85. he didnt see the world he didnt know his class, he didnt see the game for what it was. basicly if LFG comes into play theres no need for ppl to go quest and see the game, they can have everything handed to them via LFG. kinda like a microwave i want it fast and now. LFG will be a fail idea and will kill the game.
And what if they want to do dungeons to 50? Who are you to tell them how to play the game? Besides, people can do that now with the PvP que. Should they get rid of that too? If people would rather do flashpoints than quest, l let them. If BW was smart they'd let people play however they want (with the exception of cheating or exploits) because that would keep people interested longer and they'd keep their subs.

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Pink_Saber
02.15.2012 , 12:28 PM | #703
Quote: Originally Posted by Moricthian View Post
You need to support this claim with more than just anecdotal evidence.
Nobody *needs* to do any such thing. This isn't a debate class.

Frankly, all most of us have for any of our positions is anecdotal evidence. Have you got hard facts to back up your unstated position? I'd guess not.

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Ravoss
02.15.2012 , 12:28 PM | #704
"1# A LFD tool will ruin/destroy the community.

People look at the LFD tool and claim that it goes against creating a community on the server. That's just not true at all, instead you should ask yourself, what Bioware can do to gather people around at specific places? - socialize as you call it.

Numerous suggestions have been made in the 'suggestion' forum e.g. card mini-games, expanded cantinas, an actual functioning Casino at Nar Shaddaa.

THESE are the things people should be complaining about and not things that might potentially ruin someone elses game because they choose a server that is now a low-pop server, or people who want's to get the most out of their playtime.

TL;DR - BW should make features/events that will gather people around at specific places to do stuff together. "

This is entirely your opinion. It is also the MAIN reason why those against an LFD tool are against it.

Just because you don't believe it, doesn't make it true.

I saw what it did in wow, both pve and pvp, and played before anything was instituted. They DO kill a servers community, and I wont be swayed from this opinion.

Please BW. DONT LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE! I want a community to play with, not a loot pinata.
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Moricthian
02.15.2012 , 12:30 PM | #705
Quote: Originally Posted by Pink_Saber View Post
Nobody *needs* to do any such thing. This isn't a debate class.

Frankly, all most of us have for any of our positions is anecdotal evidence. Have you got hard facts to back up your unstated position? I'd guess not.
It depends on the position and the claim. If I'm going to make the claim "a LFG tool will lead to content nerfs," then you need evidence to actually convince neutral people of your claims. This perosn is trying to state a fact not an opinion.

On the other hand the claim "I want there to be a LFG tool" is stating a personal preference. The only evidence needed is my opinion.

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GalacticKegger
02.15.2012 , 12:31 PM | #706
Quote: Originally Posted by Moricthian View Post
If we can somehow convince everyone to stop committing crimes, our society would be better.

While trying to get everyone to use the current lfg tool is a worthy vision, its just not realistic. We need a better solution.
Or BioWare needs to publish how to use it in the holonet, and give it prominence in the game's Codex. Perhaps the system can use a polished interface down the road to be more intuitive. Regardless, if people choose to not want to learn a new way of doing something then that is their choice. The game already has one and those who use like it a lot.
Can we please just have our pre-KotFE SWTOR MMORPG back?

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Gungan
02.15.2012 , 12:33 PM | #707
Quote: Originally Posted by Fredder View Post
plain and simple, i played WoW for 4 years. i let my buddy play on my pc while i played skyrim. hes never played wow or any other mmo. he lvled himselft to lvl 15 then stood around in Org queing for LFG till lvl 85. he didnt see the world he didnt know his class, he didnt see the game for what it was. basicly if LFG comes into play theres no need for ppl to go quest and see the game, they can have everything handed to them via LFG. kinda like a microwave i want it fast and now. LFG will be a fail idea and will kill the game.
I think he knew his class just fine, as that has nothing to do with exploring the world. It doesn't have to teleport you to the instance, they're all at the fleet anyways.

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Moricthian
02.15.2012 , 12:36 PM | #708
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
Or BioWare needs to publish how to use it in the holonet, and give it prominence in the game's Codex. Perhaps the system can use a polished interface down the road to be more intuitive. Regardless, if people choose to not want to learn a new way of doing something then that is their choice. The game already has one.
Here's the problem, from a buisness standpoint, this is a terrible attitude to have. If players don't care enough to learn how to use a complicated LFG tool, then they won't use it and then complain/unsub. BW can push that they learn it till their blue in the face but if players still arn't willing, BW will lose money as players leave the game. If BW is just content to say "well they don't care enough to learn so its their own fault," they will lose subs.

Let's pretend I open a resturant but its complicated to get to. As a result nobody is eating there. Is it a good business model to conclude: "People just arn't taking the time to learn how to get to my resturant, I could change to a better location but its their fault for not learning." This will lead to your buisness failing. BW needs to adapt and change as players voice their opinions. Seeing as only a handful of people use the current system this is evidence that a vast majority of players either don't know about it, don't care about it, or don't want to use it. Whatever reason, BW needs to adapt and change to what the majority of players are doing. If they don't, this game will fall by the wayside.

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Agenteusa
02.15.2012 , 12:41 PM | #709
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It depends on the position and the claim. If I'm going to make the claim "a LFG tool will lead to content nerfs," then you need evidence to actually convince neutral people of your claims. This perosn is trying to state a fact not an opinion.
So, here you say that he needs evidence.

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Whatever reason, BW needs to adapt and change to what the majority of players are doing. If they don't, this game will fall by the wayside.
But here (your words) whats your evidence??

You donīt even know for a fact if teh majority of players want it , do you?

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Shadowkai
02.15.2012 , 12:43 PM | #710
Quote: Originally Posted by Senatsu View Post
The Aion tool is certainly the perfect mix between the system right now and the LFD system in World of Warcraft.
I agree! I wish we could build strong, unified support for this type of LFG tool, let people use it for a while, and re-evaluate (instead of everyone tearing each other down).

Group leveling content in this game is great. Let's help people not miss it!
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