Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

No, forced is not true. They'll choose to pick cross server because convenience matters more to them than any advantage gained by staying single server.

Hey, I'm not the quasi amish guy, pushing for anti-convenience.

and if this is analagous to your argument... you're saying that busses are bad for the RL community.



My WoW guild's raidteam is not full of pros. We have about 3-4 people that has vanilla experience and that has much more skill than the rest, so it usually takes us 5-6 weeks to get down an expansion final boss.

All of this is an argument against easy content; it has nothing to do with the lfg tool.

It took us a maybe couple of weeks longer, but we were doing 3 hour raid nights (sometimes less, we didn't always get started at 10, but always cut off at 1), twice a week (sometimes once a week). Lets no pretend that ICC was actually all that hard.

Eh, blizzard has moved to the model of "heroic mode = the actual challenging content" ... if you skip doing it on hard mode, and only do it on easy, you have only yourself to blame if it's too easy.

No, the difficulty dropped long before that.

Yeah, back then they used to think that time sink + frustrating game mechanics = hard. They're learned better since then.


Kind of interesting that you admit that you haven't experienced the whole game, but feel qualified to pronounce judgement on the game as a whole.

within a year of wow's launch, EQ had lost 2/3 of it's playerbase (from it's peak at 550k down to 200k).

the game didn't hit the zapper, but it was really dead at that point. You can't pull the "I'm don't dead yet! I feel happy!" bit if you want, but you're not fooling anyone. Certainly, the game existed, but soe siphoning money out of it's bloated corpse is hardly "alive"

This is exactly the mentality that will be in every player if an LFD tool is put in. I had enough of that just after a few weeks after the LFD tool was put into WoW, don't need to go through the same thing here.

It's frustrating that it takes longer to get a group, but it will be much, much worse when everyone leaves after 1 wipe or any other reason and you have to queue all over again. Especially as a DPS.

If an LFD tool gets put in, no one will go through the same process as they do now to get a group. Just like in WoW. Therefore, you won't find a group -> won't get into FPs -> won't get gear -> won't get into raids. How is that optional?

It meant it more like walking keeps you healthy due to exercise, while sitting on your butt in a car or bus makes you lazier. So the community as a whole gets fatter. Of course, in real life, public transport is cheaper, more ecological and social. I guess I should have explained that analogy in a bit more detail.

If you look at my previous explanation as to how the mentality of players will change when they can easily get a group with no effort, that will change into players whining that content is too hard when they wipe even once. This will change how the content designers make FPs, HM FPs and Operations in the future, possibly even nerf the current ones. It's more of an observation to what happens in the long run instead of a short-term view of an introduction to a tool of this caliber.

My raidteam is filled with people who has troubles locating the "W" key in the heat of the moment, the healers suck monkeyballs as they can heal when they have to move a bit to the side to avoid fire = they either stand in fire and heal, or they don't heal and hold down the "W" key for 0.5 seconds. Sad, I know, but there you go.

I was comparing the difficulty of normal mode Lich King to normal mode Deathwing.

Yes, hopefully they have learned of the long-term consequences of such a tool, and brain up before they let it loose in this game. I'm all for making it easier, even make a new interface and a new system would be good, but I would prefer to have something similar to the TBC model (that was further improved upon in patch 3.1) than the WotLK LFD tool (introduced in patch 3.3). It had a very short life, so I'm not surprised people don't know about it.

I doubt I need to experience raids before I'm "qualified" to have an opinion on a tool that will be specific to Flashpoints. Especially with my 7 year experience in World of Warcraft and the observations I made before and after the implementation of an LFD tool. There is a chance that player reaction will be different in this game, but are you really willing to take the chance? At this point, I have very little faith in human logic, so I'm certainly not willing to accept (without a fight) such a tool be implemented.

I'm purely looking at exactly how the LFD tool in World of Warcraft works, not what type of changes, limitations, additions or options that BioWare might put into it.

lol

WoW lost suscriptions because people got bored of it. Warcraft itself as a franchise, died with Arthas, and what came after is just filler content which tried to recreate the mess Burning Crusade was, then Add Kung Fu Panda and Pokemon as an ultimate attempt to keep more people playing the game.

People may hate the LFG in WoW, but it's far from being THE cause for 1.8M of the playerbase to quit the game.

It's certainly not the primary cause for the decline, far from it, but it didn't exactly help.

I might add that you don´t even need the LFD tool to see what the outcome will be if it is implemented.

Oh yeah , its already present in something called.... Warzones.

It´s already happening, side loses one base or objective, 3 or 4 leave.

That´s no different from what will happen with such tool.

Having to wait for a group makes you have a little mpre respect for the players involved.

To sum it up , LFD is a tool to catter for the dps specced where they can be atrociously idiotic with no consequences.

And to answer the thread topic : The legitimate reason is to have a respectful and at least somewhat friendly "community" instead of a community filled with folks that sit in a place waiting for a window to popup and abusing others only looking at them as a tool to achieve means.

If not having a screwed up community isn´t a legitimate reason I don´t know what might be then.

Actually WoW added 2,000,000 subs after they added cross server LFG.

They lost those subs when they listened to the wannabes and made their heroics harder for cataclysm (even though it was actually the gear reset that did it). That act made it hazardous to use the LFG and that's what cost them some subs. Though I believe most of those lost subs were because of the shrinking content Blizzard was releasing.

Since wow hit the 7 year mark it's lost subs.

Fact.

Your ability to recount facts is impressive.

Since wow announced mists of pandafest it's lost subs.

Fact.

Since I made this post wow has lost and gained subs!

Fact.

This could be a fun game! What facts can you come up with people playing at home?!

Just thought of another fun fact, since rift added a lfg system it's sub numbers have risen!

I've brought this up and ofcourse they ignored it. Because you have no vested interest in the groups who cares right? Well wrong because there are those who don't like looking for new members every 5mins. The sad part is that the ones who leave are generally the ones causing the problem and refuse to listen to suggestions to make things better.

I entered a Huttball match. Score 0-2 with a little over 8mins left. Looked like about 3 people left and myself and 2 others were drafted in. So I'm thinking damn the other team could play and this is gonna be a loss. The score ended 6-2 and we won. I'm scratching my head after the match. The other team sucked so why did those people leave thinking the match was hopeless?