Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

People will, again, be indirectly forced to pick cross-server since it will take "so long" to get a group in-server, which means they get to do less content in less time due to people being lazy and can't be bothered to wait. If you have a bus pass, but you know walking is good for you. Will you walk the 3 hours to your grandmother's house? (Since she's 162 years old she wouldn't even know the difference) or would you take the bus pass and use 30 minutes?

My WoW guild's raidteam is not full of pros. We have about 3-4 people that has vanilla experience and that has much more skill than the rest, so it usually takes us 5-6 weeks to get down an expansion final boss.

We killed DW within 1 week after getting to him. We bashed our heads into his fist for 2 hours on Tuesday last week and saved the lockout only to do him again on Thursday, when he went down. The kill was, to put it mildly, incredibly unsatisfying.

In WotLK, we used 6 weeks of wiping to kill the LK. We manage to get to the last phase a few times, but something always went horribly wrong. Until that final try, where everything clicked. Every player almost knew what everyone else was going to do before they even did it. Everything went perfectly.
The feeling of working that hard on a boss, more so on an expansion finale boss and it was the LK(!) so lots of nostalgia for the ones of us familiar with the lore, was absolutely epic. I was shaking all night from joy, I couldn't even sleep that night, it was like a massive adrenaline rush.

We went from 4 hour raid nights, 3 days a week for 6 weeks to kill the LK, over to using 5 hours on a boss we had never seen before he died. It was almost sickening how plain and boring that fight was, and the lack of a real sense of accomplishment. On the LK kill, everyone screamed in Vent. On the DW kill, 7 of us went "meh", 1 guy said "Gratz guys" and 2 just left the server and said "goodnight" in guild chat before logging off. It was a sad day in my 7 year career, maybe I'm jaded, but even so. Blizzard hyped him up to being such a ****** motherf..., but he turned out to be another reason to unsub until new content.
I have no plans of doing that fight again, not even on heroic mode.

And do you guys know when this decline in difficulty and sense of accomplishment started? When LFD was introduced.
A person who play 2-3 hours a week wouldn't know, but someone that has the ability to raid for 4 hours, 3 nights a week for almost every week of the year... He knows.

I guess it's more of the new crowd coming to gaming. When Warcraft 1 was the newest game on the block, there were an extremely low number of people who played it (compared to amount of people who plays video games today). Now that there is a massive amount of people who play all kinds of games, MMO money-whores feel (like Blizzard), feels the need to dumb down the entire genre to get more money in their wallet. The entire industry has suffered for it. I'm not talking about money wise, in that department they're pretty much happier than a clapping retarded seal, but gameplay wise it's completely ruined.
Take a look at games that were created 10-15 years ago, then take a look at games now. If you have a good analytic eye, or if you have that much experience you will notice a clear difference. The money is in the people who only can play 3 hours a week, so companies dumb their games down to make them buy it and keep paying.
This has got to stop, it's nice that Blizzard tried to cater to a bigger crowd with the LFD, but as far as gameplay goes, the entire thing just died. Vanilla, was a step too far into the hardcore direction, TBC was better (I played for 6 hours for 1 weekend every 2 weeks during that time and even I could get down Illidan and Kil'jaeden before WotLK), WotLK was a step way too far into the money-whoring, Blizzard tried to redeem themselves with Cataclysm, but quickly went over to the WotLK model.

I don't want SWTOR to turn into something only hardcore players can play, but I don't want it to turn into casual-heaven like WoW has become. Right now, it seems to be in the perfect place, granted I haven't tried any raids yet since I've been too caught up in the story.

Just one final note, read my sig. If you don't know what I mean: Google it!

Sorry, still want X-Server LFG. I appreciate your passionate post though, you give your answers thought than most at least.

this is exactly why I have been objecting the implementation of x-server LFD´s .

Whoever claims didn´t experience this in Wow either is lying or only did content with guildies.

Waiting in fleet waiting for a tank gets you bored.
Waiting for 10 or less minutes for and LFD and then after a wipe or whatever random reason you get kicked or everyone leaves gets you angry.

I honestly prefer to have servers with bored people than angry people since its a downward spiral from there.

Yes. easy to form groups lose value. As a tank why should I put up with the slightest mistake from a bunch of nobodies? My queues pop in seconds. I'll just re queue and hopefully next time I will get a good group and have an easy run.

I can get a good group as a tank far quicker then you can get any group as a DPS.

Best of all I'll just be an *** in a bad group and get kicked and hopefully ignored so I wont have to group with them again.

i find it funny that a few weeks ago we had posts begging for a LFG tool, now the dev have said there working on it, its now changed to a cross server lfg tool

its clear that an lfg tool like wows is a bad idear, wow has lost more subs since it was added in wrath than when it didnt, thats a fact, there highest sub numbers was during TBC and if i remember it was close to 13 million, since TBC and the start of the easy mode wrath xpac numbers have dropped

1.8 million last year alone, and they have now got a LFR tool as well

every one in this thread screaming out for a LFG tool that is cross server is an ex or current wow player that wants easy mode game play, they dont want to talk to there fellow gamers and want call of duty lobby mode in swtor

cross server lfg is so very bad for the game and for the players, it will not fix low pop servers, it will just make it worse.

in the long run you might as well remove the heroic quests as no one will be doing them because every one will be in the fleet spamming there lfg tool. wow mark 2 will be made

blizzard spend a tone of cash on redoing old content for 1-60 yet no one really sees it as they are in the citys spamming lfg

how that is a good idear and why you would want that in swtor i have no idear.

I don't have a reason for not having a LFD/LFG tool, if it stays on the same server.

I do have a little bit of a problem with cross-server but not as much as some of these people.


If it comes it comes if not... well it'll only further prove this game is going no where fast.

EXCEPT EQ was already well established and had made back it's initial investment at least 100 fold by the time WoW came out.

Conversely FFXI pretty much DID DIE when WoW came out and it was a relatively popular game, but also a relatively new one. (I was still playing FFXI when EQ2 and WoW launched, it was pretty lonely)

EQ2 DID die when WoW picked up steam (EQ2 and WoW launched in the same month), it just went full F2P (as opposed to quasi-F2P, which it was) and EQ1 is soon to follow.

But really, what happened then has absolutely NOTHING to do with what happens now.

ABSOLUTELY 100% not needed in this game.

The poster I was responding to claimed that EQ died when WoW was released and was using this to justify why the WoW model is the only viable one.

All I was stating was that EQ didn't die when WoW was released. Because it clearly didn't.

FFXI and EQ2 were never mentioned, which is why I also didn't comment on them.

but what your saying is wrong, since wow put the LFG into the game they have lost subs

fact

last year seen the worst drop in wow subs ever.. 1.8 million in one year thats massive.

before LFG wows subs were on the rise, now there dropping