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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Kaelshi
02.14.2012 , 01:27 PM | #471
Quote: Originally Posted by Vlaxitov View Post
No, you asserted that WoTLK came out of the box pre nerfed so any additional nerfs couldn't possibly be the result of an auto grouping tool. Then you cited halls of reflection as evidence that LFD could come with harder content as well. Everyone who played at that time knows that halls of reflection was the bane of LFD. It was the one instance that sort of demanded respect thus was miserable for most people to do via LFD.

If HoR popped in my LFD queue, I would usually have to wait awhile inside the dungeon for people to show up, realize where they were, and leave the group because getting the 15 minute deserter debuff was well worth not having to run HoR via LFD for them. Thats the success story you get when trying combining challenge even to a moderate extent with an auto grouping tool like that.
I don't know what you two are trying to butt heads about but recently Blizzard acknowledged that non-heroic raid content actually auto-nerfs itself if you continually wipe.

So the as for making content easier - it's always been made easier for those having trouble with it - it had nothing to do with an LFD tool.

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evildestroyer
02.14.2012 , 01:28 PM | #472
Dont forget with Cross server LFG, if you get stuck with a loser you will never see that person again most likely. If a loser is on same server you stuck with them.

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navarh
02.14.2012 , 01:28 PM | #473
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
This is in an ideal situation. Server A gets a longer queue time and server C gets a shorter one. I repeat again. The average of three numbers CANNOT be LESS than the smallest number. So if the shortest wait time on any server is ~15mins
so 6 party per hour on average time 15m

sorry to inform you but your "hour" now have 6*15 = 90…

Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
available an average of 4 times in one hr.

have 2 sets available to them within that hour.

Now ALL servers have 3 sets of tanks and healers available to them in the hr
sorry but how?
6 is amount of groups available within a hour

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Sylriana
02.14.2012 , 01:30 PM | #474
Quote: Originally Posted by Vlaxitov View Post
No, you asserted that WoTLK came out of the box pre nerfed so any additional nerfs couldn't possibly be the result of an auto grouping tool.
No, I'm asserting that the argument that Blizzard began nerfing content on behalf of LFD is tenuous at best because they were already in the process of nerfing content long before it was implemented.

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Then you cited halls of reflection as evidence that LFD could come with harder content as well. Everyone who played at that time knows that halls of reflection was the bane of LFD. It was the one instance that sort of demanded respect thus was miserable for most people to do via LFD.
Again, that was largely a non-serious comment, meant to poke fun at the absurdity of your own point.

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The average of three numbers CANNOT be LESS than the smallest number.
You are correct. But this isn't an issue of averages.

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Vlaxitov
02.14.2012 , 01:30 PM | #475
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
The average wait time in queue A is 15 minutes; 4 groups form every hour
The average wait time in queue B is 20 minutes; 3 groups form every hour
The average wait time in queue C is 30 minutes; 2 groups form every hour
The average wait time in queue D is 6:40 minutes; 9 groups form every hour

where is the math error?
The math failure was in your initial theorycraft post. Now you're trying to clean it up.

Seriously, this is nonsense anyway. People aren't forming full groups of people they've never played with everyday. Theyre running with people they ran with days if not weeks before. That invalidates all your theorycraft from the get go.

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Vlaxitov
02.14.2012 , 01:32 PM | #476
Quote: Originally Posted by Sylriana View Post
So after spending all this time complaining about the prospect of Bioware dumbing down the game, you tell me that you actively avoided running the more difficult content? Effing Brilliant. I guess it's my fault for taking you seriously for as long as I did though.
I wouldn't be able to tell you how I'd usually have to wait for several people to leave in the begining of a HoR run if I were avoiding it now would I? Again, you're just amazing.

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Liathan
02.14.2012 , 01:33 PM | #477
I'll take a LFD tool and I'll be very happy about it. I skipped many a FP on my way to 50 because I wasn't about to stop questing so that I could sit on the station for 30-40 minutes trying to find a group and then stop out of frustration from not having found one. Also, I hit 50 about two weeks ago and I have yet to do a single FP because in my 1 hour of play a day, I want to be doing things, so I PvP and do dailies instead of sitting around spamming for a group that may never form.

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DarthKhaos
02.14.2012 , 01:33 PM | #478
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
That's your problem: there's no such thing as a "wait time per server", because there isn't a server queue. There's only a wait time per group, or a wait time per person.
Actually we both made an error with assuming an average wait time of 15mins equates to 4 groups per hour.
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Sylriana
02.14.2012 , 01:33 PM | #479
Quote: Originally Posted by Vlaxitov View Post
I wouldn't be able to tell you how I'd usually have to wait for several people to leave in the begining of a HoR run if I were avoiding it now would I? Again, you're just amazing.
misread the post, apologies.

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They ran them to get the rewards at the end, and felt compelled to run them over and over and quickly became both jaded and with zero patience or tolerance for newer or lesser geared or skilled players. In short, it started making pretty much everyone miserable.
Among people who feel that way that's going to be the case regardless. Certainly LFD facilitates it to an extent, but the behavior is still there, even in TOR. Even right now.

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Holden_Dissent
02.14.2012 , 01:34 PM | #480
Quote: Originally Posted by evildestroyer View Post
Dont forget with Cross server LFG, if you get stuck with a loser you will never see that person again most likely. If a loser is on same server you stuck with them.
not if he's on your ignore list.