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4 Man Eternity Vault(With Video)


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jHats
02.13.2012 , 10:14 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Karkais View Post
In my opinion the solution is for Bioware to introduce harder content for the geared-up people. Since current content is basically intended for 'gearing up'.
There is a new raid coming out with Patch 1.2 next month.

Operation: Explosive Conflict
Already spoken about a little bit in interviews, you will travel to the planet of Denova where you will be battling your opposing faction
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Nightmare mode provides a decent challenge, but I think they need to add in more mechanics to the nightmare modes to make them more unique compared to the normal / hard counterparts. The Fabricator droid kinda did this with the burns doing different things when you chose them.
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Zooke
02.13.2012 , 10:16 AM | #42
once again by first tier i mean raka. Not tien. Since u know they do share a set bonus and this is the FIRST SET of gear you can get. But i do know assassins can break 23k in half columi. The video wasn't made to brag it was made to point out how bad the gear progression is. Raid ev once a week and have a chance at columi or do hms everyday and skip norm ev. I don't remember in any multi difficulty raids on any mmo could you skip the normal entirely just because you grinded the heroic group dungeons.

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Zooke
02.13.2012 , 10:20 AM | #43
There is another great example of bw failing. Name one reason to actually try and run nm? Progression? It drops the same loot that hm does aside from a extra piece of columi i do believe. And of course the mount. But really bw released raid content that u can skip normal and don't need to do nm. Thats he point of the video. To show how endgame is really a joke and well coordinated people in half columi can actually get top end gear.

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jHats
02.13.2012 , 10:21 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Zooke View Post
once again by first tier i mean raka. Not tien. Since u know they do share a set bonus and this is the FIRST SET of gear you can get. But i do know assassins can break 23k in half columi. The video wasn't made to brag it was made to point out how bad the gear progression is. Raid ev once a week and have a chance at columi or do hms everyday and skip norm ev. I don't remember in any multi difficulty raids on any mmo could you skip the normal entirely just because you grinded the heroic group dungeons.
You shouldn't look at "shared set bonuses' or any other mechanic with the gear to determine if its tier or not. Rakata is a higher tier of gear plain and simple.

You really aren't grasping what Bioware has done. EV Normal is in no way meant to be cutting edge or progression worthy. Its meant for the super casual. If you are a well organized guild then you should be doing EV hards after maybe a week or 2 in EV Normal (if you even need normal). People get stuck on Normal mode and try to equate it to other normal modes in other MMOs. You cannot do this.
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jHats
02.13.2012 , 10:22 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Zooke View Post
There is another great example of bw failing. Name one reason to actually try and run nm? Progression? It drops the same loot that hm does aside from a extra piece of columi i do believe. And of course the mount. But really bw released raid content that u can skip normal and don't need to do nm. Thats he point of the video. To show how endgame is really a joke and well coordinated people in half columi can actually get top end gear.
Quit the game then lol. No one is forcing you to be here. Nightmare mode exists fot the challenge. Nothing more , nothing less. They aren't going to cater to the super hardcore as that isn't their target demographic. You aren't going to get a huge gear advantage from running it. Its simply not their design intent.

Go 4 man EV hard, then come back and post that video.
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Bosis
02.13.2012 , 10:43 AM | #46
saw a comment about onyxia earlier.

Onyxia was 4 man in tier 3 gear. a 40 man encounter. 4 manned soo this is cool and content is easy atm but cmon. if they had released content so hard that casualy raiders couldnt clear it. the game woulda died so fast. they needed to let people warm up to swtor raiding.

that being said nightmare is too easy.

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Crowbarx
02.13.2012 , 11:45 AM | #47
woah lol, didn't know i'd start such a rage fest. Well let me clear up a few things about gear for this group. First of all I'm main spec DPS my offspec is heals. As far as saying the whole group was full rakata this is partially true. I was wearing 2 pc medic for the reduced energy cost on my aoe heal and 2 pc champion healing set for the 15% healing increase on my aoe heal. The only other healing pieces I was wearing was my rakata weapon columi off-hand and battlemaster implants and earpiece. Other than that I was wearing my DPS rakata stuff. I also had orange belt and bracers with ilvl 58 armor and mods (better itemized than rakata) for my dps spec. Our dps and tank had mostly rakata stuff, yet our merc DPS in the video just hit 50 last week and got lukcy in a hard mode run, but his gear was not top notch.

That being said yeah gear was a big facor and by no means were we gimped at all. At the same time we did not have full bis fully optimized gear, we had gear that was easily obtainable through hard modes and 4 man flashpoints. What I'm trying to say is that it's not all about gear, sure it helps but if you really look at the item level difference between columi and rakata is only a 4 item level difference. columi being 136 and rakata being 140.

Any group of 4 people can do this. All you have to do is spend some time in 4 man flashpoints to get your ilvl 136 gear and a well cordinated group can clear all the content in the game. This game is not hard, but it's also the first teir of content, what gives me hope is that there is a nice jump in difficulty from EV to KP. It's not a huge jump but it's enough to give me hope that the new content coming in March will be more challenging. This game teaches you that you need to be cordinated and work well with other people to kill bosses. That's not saying you can't be succsful without it, a group with gear can totally destroy content, but the most successful guilds and groups are going to be those that can work really well with each other.

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Corran
02.13.2012 , 11:50 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by CriticalMasses View Post
That was just sad. No offense to you guys, but the fact that it was doable, and so easily, is just... Sad.

Good Job though showing Bioware how easy mode end-game is.
er alliance were 10 manning 40 man outdoor green dragons in vanilla wow years ago chief gogo female dwarf priests

you wont be pugging these with 4 people
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Tenthletter
02.13.2012 , 12:21 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by snazbaz View Post
Really not veryrelevant at all.

1) This was well over a year after Onyxia was released, and 3 raiding tiers on. Not 2 months after EV is released using basically same-tier gear (this looked easy enough that it would also be possible in full Columi not just full Rakata).

2) Onyxia had no enrage, plus healers at this time were using downranking tricks + naxx gear to heal forever (not intended by bliz, they nerfed it just before TBC (or was it at start of TBC?).
It is relevant because in Classic WoW there weren't three tiers of gear per raid instance, and the gear isn't "basically same tier gear." Normal modes are tuned for blues and quest greens. The difference between that and Rakata is hardly "basically the same."

Full Rakata in ToR is essentially what full AQ40 or potentially full Naxx gear was in Classic WoW (before they went crazy with item inflation). Plus it's very hard if not impossible to throw new encounters at people anymore. Every fight can be broken down into mechanics people have seen before, just mixed together differently, making it far easier for players to clear content now than it was 6 or 7 years ago.

Anyway, this doesn't surprise me at all. The Normal modes are hilariously easy. HM 4 man Flashpoints are harder than most of the Normal raids. In fact, I'd say Normal Directive 7 is harder than most of the Normal raids even.

And to whoever said they cleared Vanilla Naxx with 4 people...we're talking 40 man Vanilla Naxx, not that travesty they threw together in Wrath. I guarantee you did not 4 man Vanilla Naxx, ever. Patchwerk, Maexxna, Gothik, Raz, hell even Gargoyle trash would have been impossible with that few.

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Dadydimsum
02.13.2012 , 12:27 PM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by quezcotl View Post
People did the same thing with Onyxia pretty fast also. Doesnt mean it was "easy".

1 boss =/= raid, besides the mechanics of Ony allowed this sort of thing,

this would be similar to 20 manning ALL of molten core, before naxx was released