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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Ituhata
02.13.2012 , 05:33 PM | #911
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
We already have that. We'd like to move away from that

Right now, the way to get flash points is to stand in fleet and spam for a group. If you go do other stuff, you might as well write off the night.

No, you'll still get better exp by questing in between flashpoints.

I got through most of the new northern barrens quest line on my hunter while chain running dungeons.

besides, I'm not convinced that you get better money and exp from flashpoints than from quests

No, I like to chat, and I still have that problem.
Just FYI, They have a giant shuttle that takes you right to fleet, literally a few feet away from the robot that gives you the flashpoint quest in each questing zone. You could do your quests and look for people who most likely will find that questgiver and will want to knock that out, rather than traveling to fleet where most people who are leveling are only there for a talent respec or to grab some supplies.

I pretty much leveled a priest to outlands without ever leaving the city, easiest thing I've ever done.

I don't know about money, but you definitely get better gear for your level out of flashpoints than through quests.

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xioix
02.13.2012 , 05:34 PM | #912
Surprised this didn't even came up in the Q&A thread! BioWare really must take pride in punishing people who can't form groups...

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ferroz
02.13.2012 , 05:34 PM | #913
Quote: Originally Posted by harpuax View Post
Yes but WHY are they useless?
because they're useless. It's cyclic; a self fulfilling prophecy.

spamming is more effective. You're much more likely to grab someone's attention that way.

It's been that way for a long time, in basically every mmo I've played. If there's a non-matching lfg tool, it's useless, and spamming or sending direct chats are far more effective.

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Heretiq
02.13.2012 , 05:34 PM | #914
Quote: Originally Posted by harpuax View Post
The fact is there is a LFG tool. Not a great one but it is there. But NO ONE uses it. All you have to do is flag yourself LFG. Then those wishing to form a group search their who list by LFG and see all those wanting to run something.

So what is the issue with it?

A) people are just to dumb to use it.

B) people are so lazy they cant take a second to flag themselves

C) not that many people really want to pug.

D) not enough 50s yet.

E) server pops are too small.

Now I understand low pop servers. But I am on a fairly high pop server and there are 3! 50s using it right now 3! (142 in fleet atm).

Now I am not saying this tool is great but it is better than nothing. If people can't just que anything else is way too much work?
Yep. People are either dumb or lazy. And sometimes even unsocial. I love your baseless assumptions. C, D and E are valid and possible points though.

The tool that is in the game right now might as well not be there by the way. Using it doesn't bring you any advantage whatsoever so people just ignore it and do stuff the old-fashioned way by communicating.
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Heretiq
02.13.2012 , 05:37 PM | #915
Quote: Originally Posted by Ituhata View Post
Just FYI, They have a giant shuttle that takes you right to fleet, literally a few feet away from the robot that gives you the flashpoint quest in each questing zone. You could do your quests and look for people who most likely will find that questgiver and will want to knock that out, rather than traveling to fleet where most people who are leveling are only there for a talent respec or to grab some supplies.

I pretty much leveled a priest to outlands without ever leaving the city, easiest thing I've ever done.

I don't know about money, but you definitely get better gear for your level out of flashpoints than through quests.
I still don't understand what you're getting at to be honest. How does all that change anything? And how would your way of grouping be better than a Cross-Server-LFG system?
English is not my first language.

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harpuax
02.13.2012 , 05:43 PM | #916
Quote: Originally Posted by Heretiq View Post
Yep. People are either dumb or lazy. And sometimes even unsocial. I love your baseless assumptions. C, D and E are valid and possible points though.

The tool that is in the game right now might as well not be there by the way. Using it doesn't bring you any advantage whatsoever so people just ignore it and do stuff the old-fashioned way by communicating.
Ok so lets toss out A & B for now. A LFG QUE might help with E, but it does not solve C or D. Which makes the only real controllable issue server population. Is a LFG que that pisses off half the community and causes them to rage quit the answer?

The LFG tool in game has one advantage. I allows you to search people globally, while asking in any zone limits you to only those in that zone.


And I am just trying to have discussion about the best COMPROMISE to fix the issues. Not trying to flame either side.

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harpuax
02.13.2012 , 05:48 PM | #917
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
because they're useless. It's cyclic; a self fulfilling prophecy.

spamming is more effective. You're much more likely to grab someone's attention that way.

It's been that way for a long time, in basically every mmo I've played. If there's a non-matching lfg tool, it's useless, and spamming or sending direct chats are far more effective.
Ok I'll buy that answer. So how do make the current LFG tool grab people attention better?

Obviously it needs some sort of icon on the screen. That is a big failing of it right now.

Maybe if the game responded to when you type LFG, LFM, etc in chat? making the a fore mentioned icon, flash or blink. Just an idea. Open to others.

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Heretiq
02.13.2012 , 05:49 PM | #918
Quote: Originally Posted by harpuax View Post
Ok so lets toss out A & B for now. A LFG QUE might help with E, but it does not solve C or D. Which makes the only real controllable issue server population. Is a LFG que that pisses off half the community and causes them to rage quit the answer?

The LFG tool in game has one advantage. I allows you to search people globally, while asking in any zone limits you to only those in that zone.


And I am just trying to have discussion about the best COMPROMISE to fix the issues. Not trying to flame either side.
And that's just it. I won't be satisfied with any of the compromises (server merges, global LFG-channel, Server-Only LFG-Tool) that have been brought to the table so far. Because said "compromises" won't solve all the issues for everyone and at all times of the day.

Even after the server merges and with a Server-Only LFG-Tool you'll still have problems finding groups if you have a weird work schedule or if you're leveling.
English is not my first language.

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Ituhata
02.13.2012 , 05:52 PM | #919
Quote: Originally Posted by Heretiq View Post
I still don't understand what you're getting at to be honest. How does all that change anything? And how would your way of grouping be better than a Cross-Server-LFG system?
My way of grouping forces you to socialize, something that is the main ingredient to a successful mmo. People who complain about this being a single player experience then in the next breath say we need an lfg tool make me laugh.

I guess you'd have to see what I've seen before and after they introduced lfg. If there is one singular reason I cannot stand WoW now, lfg would be it. A large part of why I enjoyed playing was the people I met and mingled with back when you pretty much had to. Once cross server lfg kicked in that feeling quickly died, it's funny how when you don't need people they slowly stop talking to one another. WoW truly became a single player game as far as I am concerned, running dungeons constantly with five nameless people you'll never run across again is no different than npc ai. Think SW is a barren wasteland now? Wait till that kicks in.

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Touchbass
02.13.2012 , 05:54 PM | #920
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
because they're useless. It's cyclic; a self fulfilling prophecy.

spamming is more effective. You're much more likely to grab someone's attention that way.

It's been that way for a long time, in basically every mmo I've played. If there's a non-matching lfg tool, it's useless, and spamming or sending direct chats are far more effective.
Hey Ferroz, haven't seen around since they locked every thread and moved the main thread to the suggestion area. /wave
Our lack of a proper LFD tool will black out the sun!
Then we shall cancel our subs in the shade!