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ispanolfw
02.12.2012 , 07:18 AM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Aleeha View Post
NEWS FLASH LFG/LFR ARE 100% OPTIONAL TOOLS WHICH YOU NEVER, EVER HAVE TO USE EVER. THEY ARE OPTIONAL. JUST BECAUSE IT'S IN THE GAME OR COULD BE THERE DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO USE IT. IT IS 100% OPTIONAL. YOU NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT RUDE PEOPLE, NINJA's, IDLERS, or QUITTERS BECAUSE IT IS 100% OPTIONAL. YOU CAN STILL GO ABOUT YOUR GAMING EXPERIENCE THE SAME WAY YOU ARE NOW BECAUSE LFR/LFG ARE 100% OPTIONAL.
And that's the issue. Optional. So the people that DO want to use it are going to use it. Those who don't because they dislike it just had the playerbase they can group with, shrink, and possibly shrink ALOT. So it's fine that people like it, but don't even try to say there's no negatives and that if you don't like it you can just not use it.

EDIT: This is similar to the "it's optional" argument for Dual Spec. Sure you want it and like it, no problem. You say if you don't just don't use it. Except the problem is many will come to EXPECT you to be using it and if you don't they exclude you. So both become much less "optional" than people like to claim.

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Aleeha
02.12.2012 , 07:19 AM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Tic- View Post
Can this be construde as a legit reason?
I do not understand why people cry and whine about something they absolutely NEVER have to use EVER. They can still go from 1-<whatever cap is>, they can still do whatever end-game is and NEVER EVER have to use the LFG/LFR.

ZOMG I hate <x company> for adding tools that I NEVER EVER have to use. ZOMG I hate players for using a tool that enhances their gaming experience. ZOMG I had a bad experience using an optional tool, I know I kept using it and I know it's OPTIONAL but I hate you all for putting it there and my using it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with LFG/LFR cross-server. A localized LFG/LFR still doesn't resolve the lack of <X class here> or lower server populations. Moreover, a localized server limits interaction with the tens of thousands of people in the game to what at times appear to only be a few hundred people on a server.

REMEMBER, LFG/LFR IS A 100% OPTIONAL TOOL THAT YOU NEVER EVER HAVE TO USE. IT IS OPTIONAL, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU DO NOT EVER HAVE TO USE IT.

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ispanolfw
02.12.2012 , 07:20 AM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Aleeha View Post
I do not understand why people cry and whine about something they absolutely NEVER have to use EVER. They can still go from 1-<whatever cap is>, they can still do whatever end-game is and NEVER EVER have to use the LFG/LFR.

ZOMG I hate <x company> for adding tools that I NEVER EVER have to use. ZOMG I hate players for using a tool that enhances their gaming experience. ZOMG I had a bad experience using an optional tool, I know I kept using it and I know it's OPTIONAL but I hate you all for putting it there and my using it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with LFG/LFR cross-server. A localized LFG/LFR still doesn't resolve the lack of <X class here> or lower server populations. Moreover, a localized server limits interaction with the tens of thousands of people in the game to what at times appear to only be a few hundred people on a server.

REMEMBER, LFG/LFR IS A 100% OPTIONAL TOOL THAT YOU NEVER EVER HAVE TO USE. IT IS OPTIONAL, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU DO NOT EVER HAVE TO USE IT.
I'll just point to my previous post, optional does not mean there will be no negatives for others.

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Aleeha
02.12.2012 , 07:21 AM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by ispanolfw View Post
And that's the issue. Optional. So the people that DO want to use it are going to use it. Those who don't because they dislike it just had the playerbase they can group with, shrink, and possibly shrink ALOT. So it's fine that people like it, but don't even try to say there's no negatives and that if you don't like it you can just not use it.

EDIT: This is similar to the "it's optional" argument for Dual Spec. Sure you want it and like it, no problem. You say if you don't just don't use it. Except the problem is many will come to EXPECT you to be using it and if you don't they exclude you. So both become much less "optional" than people like to claim.
This is such total bull. If you are running OPS/FP's with your "FRIENDS" and your "GUILD" and they hate it as much as you, then you have ZERO FREAKING issue. Moreover, MY time bucko is important to me and spending more than 45+mins on Darth Sion spamming general chat for an FP group isn't a good use of MY time. If you dig that sorta thing power to you, I do NOT.

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Sotof
02.12.2012 , 07:21 AM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by EvilTrollGuy View Post
Oh, I'm sorry. Obviously we all have a large roster of friends/guildies to play with at every hour of the day that we may decide to play.

Any kind of improved LFG or a LFD tool is generally looked upon as needed. Just because YOU don't need it doesn't mean the rest of us cannot benefit from it. You are obviously entitled to your own opinion, but I don't really see a reason to post it in this thread.

You 'opinion' is not a legitimate reason to not improve on the current LFG tool, it's simply just you saying "I got enough friends so I don't care" and nothing else.
Of course it is a legitimate reason for not having it, just as your desire to have it is a legitimate reason for having it. It is however simply my conviction that the time and money spent on an LFG tool is better used on something else. As a side note, it is perfectly acceptable for people to disagree with you and say why - trust me, the world would not be a better place if everyone either agreed with you or stayed quiet.

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Mminas
02.12.2012 , 07:22 AM | #76
Hehe i guess it's natural for people that have never known what an mmo community is to not understand the argument.

There really is no point in trying to convince anyone, decisions have already been made.

There are FAST FOOD mmorpgs and HOME COOKING mmorpgs.

Cross server tools (whether it's lfd or wz) belong to FAST FOOD mmorpgs.

SW:TOR held an unclear stance about whether it was fast food or not. They made their decisions and that's fine. They are Fast Food.

It wasn't clear so we gave it a go. Now it is, so we will stick to it knowing what it is, or move on.

I know you guys LOVE FAST FOOD. But that DOESN'T mean everybody else has to love it too.

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face_hindu
02.12.2012 , 07:22 AM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by Senatsu View Post
So your experience on 1 server gives you the power to say that it isn't true? Wow you're arrogant. I have played on dozens of servers both US and EU in my WoW career, trust me, I have better experience in this than you do.
Holy moly, such vitriol! Wow, I don't even... huh? Whaaaa?!
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face_hindu
02.12.2012 , 07:24 AM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by Senatsu View Post
So your experience on 1 server gives you the power to say that it isn't true? Wow you're arrogant. I have played on dozens of servers both US and EU in my WoW career, trust me, I have better experience in this than you do.
Who's arrogant?! lololol

What you claim to be "factual" or "true" isn't. You're just making stuff up.

This is your first MMO, isn't it.
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ispanolfw
02.12.2012 , 07:25 AM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by Aleeha View Post
This is such total bull. If you are running OPS/FP's with your "FRIENDS" and your "GUILD" and they hate it as much as you, then you have ZERO FREAKING issue. Moreover, MY time bucko is important to me and spending more than 45+mins on Darth Sion spamming general chat for an FP group isn't a good use of MY time. If you dig that sorta thing power to you, I do NOT.
Nice job assuming how I see it. I didn't put my opinion in there. This is from personal experience in games that use the system. Regardless of what I or you like, this is what happens, it WILL reduce the amount of players for someone who won't use the tool.

I'm only pointing out that the "optional" argument is just as flawed as people are calling the community argument. Ie i'm not putting the system down, it has its merits, but it has its flaws too, and if you cannot recognize those, your argument in favor of it is less substantial.

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Tic-
02.12.2012 , 07:26 AM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by Aleeha View Post
I do not understand why people cry and whine about something they absolutely NEVER have to use EVER. They can still go from 1-<whatever cap is>, they can still do whatever end-game is and NEVER EVER have to use the LFG/LFR.

ZOMG I hate <x company> for adding tools that I NEVER EVER have to use. ZOMG I hate players for using a tool that enhances their gaming experience. ZOMG I had a bad experience using an optional tool, I know I kept using it and I know it's OPTIONAL but I hate you all for putting it there and my using it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with LFG/LFR cross-server. A localized LFG/LFR still doesn't resolve the lack of <X class here> or lower server populations. Moreover, a localized server limits interaction with the tens of thousands of people in the game to what at times appear to only be a few hundred people on a server.

REMEMBER, LFG/LFR IS A 100% OPTIONAL TOOL THAT YOU NEVER EVER HAVE TO USE. IT IS OPTIONAL, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU DO NOT EVER HAVE TO USE IT.
I am not whining, if they choose to add it, its not something i enjoy in my MMO, so I'll move on. I won't lose any sleep over it, trust me.

Its just another cookie cutter "feature" added to this game loaded with a ton of other 'features" that will make it no different the that other game. People love that game, great, now you have two. Not my speed, its old and tired to me, no big deal.

You should try the 4 font, it may help get your point across
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