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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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PjPablo
02.13.2012 , 11:31 AM | #691
Quote: Originally Posted by Amiracle View Post
Like you responded to....rofl


How would a cross server tool promote more events on your server?

How would a cross server tool promote people talking on your server?

Guild drama.....How do you know? Just because they aren't talking in general it doesn't exist?
You must of missed it then:

X-server LFD isn't a panacea for the community issue. Never said it was. It is a tool for one thing. Getting quick groups and for that it does it's job well.

Community is created by people, not functionality. The reason I mention the lack of community is in response to the common phrase 'LFD ruins communities". In my case, even though LFD doesn't ruin communities in my experience, there is nothing to ruin.

As far as guild drama....see the little winky eye......


To translate....it does not do anything for community, pro or con.

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Varghjerta
02.13.2012 , 11:31 AM | #692
Quote: Originally Posted by Pythoris View Post
Well, there are a lot of flaws WoW had in my eyes, but the LFG tool is the least of them as far as I'm concerned.

Also, it's rather rude and uncalled for to call someone's request "nonsense" just because you don't agree with it. What's ironic is you think a LFG tool is not a good idea because it will lead to trolling, and in the very post you expressed this, you halfway trolled.

Careful.
Actually so you mean players that could be afk safe for 15 min in the start a dungeon was working intended?

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ispanolfw
02.13.2012 , 11:33 AM | #693
Quote: Originally Posted by PjPablo View Post
All of this back and forth is pointless really. X-server LFD will be added at some point. They are adding for PVP, and it isn't a stretch to see it added for PVE. If they were not to add it then they would need to figure out what to do about low pop servers and that is a far, far more painful decision than simply adding x-server LFD.

The question to ask is what will keep people playing the game. Do people want to run more content? If so, they add x-server LFD. At this point in the game's evolution I don't even see this as an option. It is a basic MMO necessity that the game needs to remain relevant. What player when faced with the decision of running content quickly and running content slowly because it takes longer to find a group or not running it at all simply because they cannot find others to run with chooses the later? That's the calculation at the end of the day.
Because all you're looking at is the time aspect. Don't get me wrong, I know there are plenty who just want to get it done and over with. But not everyone is "omg this is boring, I just want to click a button and be done with it" (Exaggeration, but hopefully you see the point)

Like leveling as an example. No matter how easy or difficult it is, there will always be people who hate leveling and only "have fun" at the end. And on the flip side, you will always have people who enjoy the journey more than the destination.

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Varghjerta
02.13.2012 , 11:35 AM | #694
Quote: Originally Posted by Gerrard_Ennui View Post
All these percentages are bullsh*t. The choice to use the tool or not isn't found in an equation, it rests with the individual.

'Having no choice' is the situation we have NOW, where finding a pickup group DEMANDS that you spam general on the fleet - yet you're saying that actually having a choice whether to use a LFG tool or not means that nobody has a choice? Absurd.
No that is actually also an assumption dont you know any people you can ask?
Or even use general on the planet you are on.
Those are avaible to you as it is now.

What you want is one button accept group invite while being AFK

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ferroz
02.13.2012 , 11:36 AM | #695
Quote: Originally Posted by ImperialSun View Post
But...they are objective, valid concerns...
No... they're not. I have a feeling that you don't understand what objective means.

I was pretty straight forward in explaining why they weren't objective reasons. If you want, I'll try and help you understand.

an unsupported claim is not an objective reason.
a false statement is not an objective reason.
an opinion is not an objective reason.

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PjPablo
02.13.2012 , 11:36 AM | #696
Quote: Originally Posted by ispanolfw View Post
Because all you're looking at is the time aspect. Don't get me wrong, I know there are plenty who just want to get it done and over with. But not everyone is "omg this is boring, I just want to click a button and be done with it" (Exaggeration, but hopefully you see the point)

Like leveling as an example. No matter how easy or difficult it is, there will always be people who hate leveling and only "have fun" at the end. And on the flip side, you will always have people who enjoy the journey more than the destination.
Absolutely agree. There will always be different 'appetites'. I just see the quick group/slower group question as clearly on the side of most wanting to get a group sooner than later is all.

I am not downplaying others play styles at all. Going back to the majority/minority bit I just think (opinion here guys, not fact) that the majority would rather spend their time running content and not putting a group together. That is why LFD has been popular and effective.

EDIT: That is also why you have seen a move away from large raid groups, like 40 in early wow, to smaller groups. it's easier and quicker to put together a smaller raid than a larger one.

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ispanolfw
02.13.2012 , 11:36 AM | #697
Quote: Originally Posted by Gerrard_Ennui View Post
All these percentages are bullsh*t. The choice to use the tool or not isn't found in an equation, it rests with the individual.

'Having no choice' is the situation we have NOW, where finding a pickup group DEMANDS that you spam general on the fleet - yet you're saying that actually having a choice whether to use a LFG tool or not means that nobody has a choice? Absurd.
Actually it's not. Some want it, some don't. Some don't care. It comes, the ones who wanted it use it. The ones in the middle see that grouping normally is more time consuming now, so they use it now too. Now the people who don't want to use it have a much longer time finding a group, some may even leave the game, even FURTHER increasing the time spent. And in many cases making it so they hardly ever get groups at all. So now they either go without doing anything with a group because it's so rare to get one now, or they use the Tool that they didn't want.

How is that optional? You're looking at the "you can just not use it" and saying optional, but it's more than that. Putting it in just flips the roles in your little explanation.

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Norbix
02.13.2012 , 11:37 AM | #698
LOOK PEOPLE, you guys had your chance at "community building" and FAILED. It didn't work, and people are stuck in their fleets LFG when they shouldn't be. It's really as simple as that. Stop bringing up this notion of community in a WoW inspired game, it's just NOT HAPPENING.

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dutch-master
02.13.2012 , 11:38 AM | #699
Quote: Originally Posted by EvilTrollGuy View Post
A LFD tool doesn't hinder people in making friends, the lack of social activities in the current state of the game, however, does. Besides you'll also be playing with 'doucebags' on your own server, a LFD tool will not make this worse, we'll instead be playing more and thus be seeing them more.
Its true, it would be nice. Every game that has the ability has benefited from it. Granted, you can use /who to find people and ask them to help. The thing is, unless they know you, they probably want to have nothing to do with you and your Kaon under siege run...

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Lorgrin
02.13.2012 , 11:38 AM | #700
im sure this has been said before, but here goes.

The reason I like the LFD tool, is because if it works right, it creates well rounded groups. (tank, healer, and 2 dps)

I sat in the Republic Fleet the other night on a new character for over 4o minutes trying to just get a group for Hammer Station. I put myself up on the LFG tool thing with a message saying I need a group for Hammer. Only one other person out of the 65 people on the fleet had flagged themselves for LFG. In my opinion this is just not working.

One thing that I hate is having to make my way over back to my ship, fly to the fleet, head down to the quest terminal area....and there is nobody down there. Well there went a good 10 minutes or so I could have used to quest more! (and therein lies the problem) Players find the flashpoints too much of a bother, so why do them.

Please Bioware, this is obviously something your customers want.