Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Senatsu

02.12.2012 , 07:04 AM \| #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Reevax Yeah I am so sick of the "community" argument. its completed nonsense. No, it's not nonsense. Right now, tons of people are getting familiar with the game, many people who have never played an MMO before SWTOR. Eventually people will put up PvP movies, boss kill movies etc. THAT is when a community begins to form. People start to hear about this awesome player/guild X on the X server, so they make their own videos. More people PvP and want to raid high-end content because of other players that they see, more players become well known on their servers and it keeps expanding. Servers will get "THE server troll" that always talks in general and trade, servers will get "the seller guy" who floods the GTN with auctions, servers will get "the best PvE guild" that always gets the first boss kills, servers will get "the best PvP" guild that dominates Warzones, servers will get "the PUG guy" that, for some unexplained reason, always has successful PUG raid groups, servers will get "the show off guy" who always stands in the middle of a popular area to flash his full tier XX gear, servers will get the joker, the casino guy, the achievement guy and the list goes on and on and on. Dooming a server's future community before it has even started is stupid and reckless. All of the "The X Guy" people I have posted existed on most of WoW's servers in Vanilla and TBC. They even lived a few months after LFD, but eventually died out because no one could care less, simply due to the horrible side-effects of an LFD/LFR cross-server tool. You can ask anyone who played during those WoW expansions, and they would tell you they had many of "The X Guy", unless you were completely anti-social back then too.

Thunderslice

02.12.2012 , 07:07 AM \| #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Senatsu No, it's not nonsense. Right now, tons of people are getting familiar with the game, many people who have never played an MMO before SWTOR. Eventually people will put up PvP movies, boss kill movies etc. THAT is when a community begins to form. People start to hear about this awesome player/guild X on the X server, so they make their own videos. More people PvP and want to raid high-end content because of other players that they see, more players become well known on their servers and it keeps expanding. Servers will get "THE server troll" that always talks in general and trade, servers will get "the seller guy" who floods the GTN with auctions, servers will get "the best PvE guild" that always gets the first boss kills, servers will get "the best PvP" guild that dominates Warzones, servers will get "the PUG guy" that, for some unexplained reason, always has successful PUG raid groups, servers will get "the show off guy" who always stands in the middle of a popular area to flash his full tier XX gear, servers will get the joker, the casino guy, the achievement guy and the list goes on and on and on. Dooming a server's future community before it has even started is stupid and reckless. All of the "The X Guy" people I have posted existed on most of WoW's servers in Vanilla and TBC. They even lived a few months after LFD, but eventually died out because no one could care less, simply due to the horrible side-effects of an LFD/LFR cross-server tool. You can ask anyone who played during those WoW expansions, and they would tell you they had many of "The X Guy", unless you were completely anti-social back then too. It is non sense, out side of my guild I dont see a game community and I play on 2 different servers. Its like a myth on these forums. The only argument you guys have for not having standard features.

face_hindu

02.12.2012 , 07:09 AM \| #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Senatsu All of the "The X Guy" people I have posted existed on most of WoW's servers in Vanilla and TBC. They even lived a few months after LFD, but eventually died out because no one could care less, simply due to the horrible side-effects of an LFD/LFR cross-server tool. Actually this didn't happen on my server (Lightbringer) - there was still The Bag Guy, The Obama Healthcare Guy, The I'm Going to Block the AH with Fireworks Launchers Guy, and some very successful and well known guilds and players. LFD DID NOT kill these guys, and it DID NOT ruin the community (on Lightbringer). So what you're saying - just isn't true.
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Senatsu

02.12.2012 , 07:10 AM \| #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Thunderslice It is non sense, out side of my guild I dont see a game community and I play on 2 different servers. Its like a myth on these forums. The only argument you guys have for not having standard features. LFD is not a standard feature, and if you would have read my entire post, and understood it, then you wouldn't have posted your first two sentences. Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu Actually this didn't happen on my server (Lightbringer) - there was still The Bag Guy, The Obama Healthcare Guy, The I'm Going to Block the AH with Fireworks Launchers Guy, and some very successful and well known guilds and players. LFD DID NOT kill these guys, and it DID NOT ruin the community (on Lightbringer). So what you're saying - just isn't true. So your experience on 1 server gives you the power to say that it isn't true? Wow you're arrogant. I have played on dozens of servers both US and EU in my WoW career, trust me, I have better experience in this than you do.

Arnokar

02.12.2012 , 07:10 AM \| #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Necrolepsy cross-server lfd breeds idiots who can get away with anything intra-server lfd is fine, people are still accountable I love this answer...like what? Roll need on something you need? Hello they do that here for their companions. Lol. Lfd is awesome. It works for those that need it. If you're all grouped up in an awesome guild with plenty of people to form groups with..simply do not use the lfd...is that such a hard concept?

Aleeha

02.12.2012 , 07:10 AM \| #66
NEWS FLASH LFG/LFR ARE 100% OPTIONAL TOOLS WHICH YOU NEVER, EVER HAVE TO USE EVER. THEY ARE OPTIONAL. JUST BECAUSE IT'S IN THE GAME OR COULD BE THERE DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO USE IT. IT IS 100% OPTIONAL. YOU NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT RUDE PEOPLE, NINJA's, IDLERS, or QUITTERS BECAUSE IT IS 100% OPTIONAL. YOU CAN STILL GO ABOUT YOUR GAMING EXPERIENCE THE SAME WAY YOU ARE NOW BECAUSE LFR/LFG ARE 100% OPTIONAL.

Tic-

02.12.2012 , 07:12 AM \| #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Aleeha NEWS FLASH LFG/LFR ARE 100% OPTIONAL TOOLS WHICH YOU NEVER, EVER HAVE TO USE EVER. THEY ARE OPTIONAL. JUST BECAUSE IT'S IN THE GAME OR COULD BE THERE DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO USE IT. IT IS 100% OPTIONAL. YOU NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT RUDE PEOPLE, NINJA's, IDLERS, or QUITTERS BECAUSE IT IS 100% OPTIONAL. YOU CAN STILL GO ABOUT YOUR GAMING EXPERIENCE THE SAME WAY YOU ARE NOW BECAUSE LFR/LFG ARE 100% OPTIONAL. All caps AND large font, with red color... Can this be construde as a legit reason?

Senatsu

02.12.2012 , 07:15 AM \| #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Aleeha NEWS FLASH LFG/LFR ARE 100% OPTIONAL TOOLS WHICH YOU NEVER, EVER HAVE TO USE EVER. THEY ARE OPTIONAL. JUST BECAUSE IT'S IN THE GAME OR COULD BE THERE DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO USE IT. IT IS 100% OPTIONAL. YOU NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT RUDE PEOPLE, NINJA's, IDLERS, or QUITTERS BECAUSE IT IS 100% OPTIONAL. YOU CAN STILL GO ABOUT YOUR GAMING EXPERIENCE THE SAME WAY YOU ARE NOW BECAUSE LFR/LFG ARE 100% OPTIONAL. Ehm... No. It looks optional, but when 60% of the server (the people that want it, probably going very low on the percentages though) uses it, more people will jump on it. Eventually you will have 99% of the server using it because they couldn't be bothered fighting against it since it's obviously over-shadowing normal grouping, then that 1% who is still fighting is left in the mud and, eventually, they will jump in too. Not because they wanted, needed or thought it was good, but because they got even more bored trying to get a group from an even lesser number of players who felt the same way. Think about it, a tool like this, looks optional, but ultimately, isn't.

Claymaniac

02.12.2012 , 07:16 AM \| #69
There really isn't. At least not for a same server LFD tool. Communities and relationships in these games are formed by playing together. Not by reading spam in chat or sending people random whispers to group. Make the forming groups part easier and community will thrive. Look, most people don't have the initiative or are unwilling to go through the effort of forming a group. That's just how it is. I am a prime example. I might be more than willing to run a lv50 flashpoint with strangers, but I am really not that interested in spending the time and effort to recruit people to join me. If I see someone else LFG'ing, I still probably don't want to join because we still have to put in the effort to look for 2 more. The other thing with that is, if I recruit someone in a group, I feel responsible for their experience. And I don't want that. Call me lazy, call me anti social whatever. That's just how it is. Now, if there was a system where I could just select Directive 7 and say I want to fill the healing role for it and let the system auto create a group, that would be fantastic and I would use it all the time. And once I get in those groups and get to know the 3 others in my group, thats where relationships will get built. That part needs to be made easier. Not, just here, but in every MMO. The days of spamming a chat channel with LFG messages are gone. That is an obsolete system. Lets evolve.
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DarthKhaos

02.12.2012 , 07:17 AM \| #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Aleeha NEWS FLASH LFG/LFR ARE 100% OPTIONAL TOOLS WHICH YOU NEVER, EVER HAVE TO USE EVER. THEY ARE OPTIONAL. JUST BECAUSE IT'S IN THE GAME OR COULD BE THERE DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO USE IT. IT IS 100% OPTIONAL. YOU NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT RUDE PEOPLE, NINJA's, IDLERS, or QUITTERS BECAUSE IT IS 100% OPTIONAL. YOU CAN STILL GO ABOUT YOUR GAMING EXPERIENCE THE SAME WAY YOU ARE NOW BECAUSE LFR/LFG ARE 100% OPTIONAL. News flash news flash. If you think the implementation of a fully automated cross server LFG system would end up being "optional" you're lying to yourself and everyone here. It's like getting your own ship in this game. It's "optional" you can make it to level 50 without one but good luck with that.
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