Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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ispanolfw

02.13.2012 , 10:49 AM \| #621
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz because the thread is asking is there is any legitimate reason against having an lfg tool, and by legitimate, the OP means "objective and factual" so if you offer an opinion based or anecdotal evidence supporting not having it, that doesn't answer the thread question. The idea is that if the conversation is A: I want x B: No, you shouldn't get X the onus is on B to give a valid, objective argument against it. Having the system will punish those who do not want or like it. Not having the system will punish those who do. And yes, it does go both ways like that. Being optional doesn't change that, in fact, being optional reinforces it being that way. Someone mentioned path of least resistance in the thread. That's what happens with the tool. You have the group of people who want it, those who don't and everyone in between. When it goes live, a certain amount of people use it. Now the people that don't have less people to choose from for making groups, and they see that people using the tool are having an easy time, so some start using it, lessening again the amount of people available to group with normally. It really does go both ways, but many people, most on the Pro-LFD side from what i've seen here, seemingly refuse to accept that.

PjPablo

02.13.2012 , 10:49 AM \| #622
Quote: Originally Posted by corbanite People needing for companions does not happen in any groupsd I am part of currently. It is not right or OK. Players come first. Our guild raids.. everything we do is to make raiding better. Giving a companion something a player needs is not for team progression and in fact hinders team progression.. We believe in a team game. But give me cross relam L4D and I'll be as much of an ****** as the rest of them. especially with dual specs means my DPS can queue as tank for no queues.. Better yet with my tank I can charge people credits to go and shorten the queue for them and then quit the group once the group has been sorted. If you are going to be like that it isn't the LFD tool causing you act that way. You were 'that way' before. Guess what happens when you queue as a Tank and you aren't one? What do you think your group will do? Come guys, you really need to try harder with the counter arguments.

ImperialSun

02.13.2012 , 10:50 AM \| #623
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz because the thread is asking is there is any legitimate reason against having an lfg tool, and by legitimate, the OP means "objective and factual" so if you offer an opinion based or anecdotal evidence supporting not having it, that doesn't answer the thread question. The idea is that if the conversation is A: I want x B: No, you shouldn't get X the onus is on B to give a valid, objective argument against it. But thats the point... There have been lots and lots of legitimate views and concerns expressed in this very thread, they are simply met with "No it isn't" or "You are wrong".... This thread is an exercise in futility because when people do voice valid concerns they are discounted immediately with no evidence and/or supporting data. The real reason no one can suuply you guys with a genuine reason for not having LFD is simply that you refuse to accept any of the reasons you are given... In your minds there will NEVER be a reason simply because that would get in the way of what you "want"... Driz Driz

corbanite

02.13.2012 , 10:51 AM \| #624
Quote: Originally Posted by PjPablo If you are going to be like that it isn't the LFD tool causing you act that way. You were 'that way' before. Guess what happens when you queue as a Tank and you aren't one? What do you think your group will do? Come guys, you really need to try harder with the counter arguments. me lol.. I'll be richer with creds that I charged thanks. If you think people wont do this then you have 0 experiance of cross realm LFD. The people in the group can go and wait.
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PjPablo

02.13.2012 , 10:52 AM \| #625
Quote: Originally Posted by ispanolfw Having the system will punish those who do not want or like it. Not having the system will punish those who do. And yes, it does go both ways like that. Being optional doesn't change that, in fact, being optional reinforces it being that way. Someone mentioned path of least resistance in the thread. That's what happens with the tool. You have the group of people who want it, those who don't and everyone in between. When it goes live, a certain amount of people use it. Now the people that don't have less people to choose from for making groups, and they see that people using the tool are having an easy time, so some start using it, lessening again the amount of people available to group with normally. It really does go both ways, but many people, most on the Pro-LFD side from what i've seen here, seemingly refuse to accept that. If most people start using the tool isn't that a sign? I mean if the tool is full of the worst of humanity, like some here would have you believe, won't people run screaming from it? That won't happen because it works and the positives outweigh the negatives.

ispanolfw

02.13.2012 , 10:52 AM \| #626
Quote: Originally Posted by Introvertus I have a higher level of annoymity if I walk around with a darth vader mask on and hit people with a crowbar. If I was the sort of person who did that, I wouldn't care whether I had anonymity or not. That's you, you're not everyone. There are plenty of people who are different on the inside than they are on the outside. And many people who change based on the level of anonymity they have. I've seen people who behave a certain way online, then they're forced to use a name or something that sort of identifies them, they stop behaving that way. I personally don't act any different, and you say you don't, but many do.

Amiracle

02.13.2012 , 10:52 AM \| #627
I find it funny that the pro LFD people say that there is no community but when you come to the forums what do you click on to get here? That button up top with these letters on it.......COMMUNITY.

ferroz

02.13.2012 , 10:53 AM \| #628
Quote: Originally Posted by ImperialSun But thats the point... There have been lots and lots of legitimate views and concerns expressed in this very thread, they are simply met with "No it isn't" or "You are wrong".... That's because they aren't objective, factual reasons... Quote: This thread is an exercise in futility because when people do voice valid concerns they are discounted immediately with no evidence and/or supporting data. If they can't offer objective evidence or supporting data, then I'd say they don't actually ave a valid concern. Quote: The real reason no one can suuply you guys with a genuine reason for not having LFD is simply that you refuse to accept any of the reasons you are given... Because they're not objective, factual reasons. Oh, and a lot of them are borderline delusional. Quote: In your minds there will NEVER be a reason simply because that would get in the way of what you "want"... No, in my mind there hasn't been an objective reason given. Personally, I'm really curious if you can offer one.
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PjPablo

02.13.2012 , 10:53 AM \| #629
Quote: Originally Posted by corbanite me lol.. I'll be richer with creds that I charged thanks. If you think people wont do this then you have 0 experiance of cross realm LFD. Have used it since it was introduced in WOW and completely recommend it here.

Vulgarr

02.13.2012 , 10:54 AM \| #630
Quote: Originally Posted by ImperialSun But thats the point... There have been lots and lots of legitimate views and concerns expressed in this very thread, they are simply met with "No it isn't" or "You are wrong".... This thread is an exercise in futility because when people do voice valid concerns they are discounted immediately with no evidence and/or supporting data. The real reason no one can suuply you guys with a genuine reason for not having LFD is simply that you refuse to accept any of the reasons you are given... In your minds there will NEVER be a reason simply because that would get in the way of what you "want"... Driz Driz thats why you should have fun with them try and short circuit their brains.

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