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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Varghjerta
02.13.2012 , 10:41 AM | #611
Quote: Originally Posted by Heretiq View Post

You don't like my arguments? Oh well - too bad. Because they fit right in with all the other crap you people come up with in order to make the Cross-Server-LFG tool seem like a bad idea.
How can youre X-Server prevent abuse either one from the

A Majority/guild in the group that takes advantage from a single player from another server forcing/kicking before drops and so on

And /or

Single player that gets protected and can do abuse and taking advantage because the group cant even kick him .?

Feel free using WoW anology they have had the longest run with this.
and which how to prevent this behavior?

example :Player joining as Tank while actually being DPS and just wait until someone leave to take that place or just going AFK 90% of the instance basicly

<insert list on what people are doing in there>
or atleast did in early Cata.

*Rolling need on everything

Basicly how will you prevent people being able taking advantages of the LFD system from in groups one way or the other that is just impossible?

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Kaelshi
02.13.2012 , 10:41 AM | #612
Quote: Originally Posted by PjPablo View Post
HEY NOW!!! Your logic has no place 'round these parts.

lol right! logic on forums is taboo these days

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PjPablo
02.13.2012 , 10:41 AM | #613
Quote: Originally Posted by corbanite View Post
cross server LFD looks like a great way to get my companions geared. I'll be needing on everything for them and leaving the second I get what I want. yay for no queues as I am a tank.
Well you won't be alone as that happens now. Witness the massive thread where people in this 'community' think that behavior is absolutely fine.

You would get away with that once in most groups.

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ispanolfw
02.13.2012 , 10:42 AM | #614
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaelshi View Post
it would be silly to say that the LFD tool INCREASES bad behavior.

It makes much more sense to say that an LFD tool increases your contact with people who behave badly.

The tool did not MAKE someone act like a jerk - that person was a jerk already and was going to act like that regardless of the tool.

Actually this is only partially correct. Firstly, many of those "bad" people will indeed not be any different with or without the tool. However, with the tool, they have a higher level of anonymity than they would have without it. They can jump into a group where they will more likely than not, have people form different servers that they will likely not see again. And for some people, this encourages them to be more bold in their griefing. Anyone who reads Penny Arcade knows what i'm talking about.

Again, not all of them will be like that, but It most certainly does happen.

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ferroz
02.13.2012 , 10:42 AM | #615
Quote: Originally Posted by ImperialSun View Post
there are no facts or numbers or data available...this entire thread is anecdotal so why does the pro anecdotes carry any more validity than the con anecdates?
because the thread is asking is there is any legitimate reason against having an lfg tool, and by legitimate, the OP means "objective and factual" even if he's not being that verbose.

so if you offer an opinion based or anecdotal evidence supporting not having it, that doesn't answer the thread question.

The idea is that if the conversation is
A: I want x
B: No, you shouldn't get X

the onus is on B to give a valid, objective argument against it.

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PjPablo
02.13.2012 , 10:43 AM | #616
Quote: Originally Posted by ImperialSun View Post
The point is context is key.

The question was do we have any actual eivdence that LFD promotes bad behaviour.

Your derogatory remark was "Its all anecdotal". You said that because it makes your own view sound more credible.

If you were really being balanced your reply would have said both arguements for and against are purely anecdotal therefore no one can be sure...

Driz
So the phrase 'It's all anecdotal' is derogatory? lol I won't be replying to you anymore. Bye.

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Vulgarr
02.13.2012 , 10:44 AM | #617
Quote: Originally Posted by EvilTrollGuy View Post
I've been wondering for something quite some time now. A lot of the arguments to NOT have a x-server LFD tool is because people don't want to play with 'bullies' who behaves badly because they're "protected" by the x-server system (being sort of anonymous).

So my question is, do we have any *real* evidence in this increase of bad behaviour? I mean, do we have any studies or any (experienced) developers acknowledgin this apparent fact?

Or is all we got some random people saying it?

In the case it's just random people, I'd like to know if they've considered the fact that you'll be playing MUCH MUCH more with a such system (a tank in WoW finds a group pretty much instantly) and will thus play a lot more than without the LFD tool?

Take it however you want, but I'm genuinely curious about this issue and I'd like to know if a developer such as say Blizzard have regretted implementing it in their game.
well i wouldnt go as far as to call them "bullies". i just think they are d!ckholes that mommy and daddy didnt teach manners.

but thats just my opinion. lol @ "bullies".

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Introvertus
02.13.2012 , 10:44 AM | #618
Quote: Originally Posted by ispanolfw View Post
Actually this is only partially correct. Firstly, many of those "bad" people will indeed not be any different with or without the tool. However, with the tool, they have a higher level of anonymity than they would have without it. They can jump into a group where they will more likely than not, have people form different servers that they will likely not see again. And for some people, this encourages them to be more bold in their griefing. Anyone who reads Penny Arcade knows what i'm talking about.

Again, not all of them will be like that, but It most certainly does happen.
I have a higher level of annoymity if I walk around with a darth vader mask on and hit people with a crowbar.

If I was the sort of person who did that, I wouldn't care whether I had anonymity or not.
In The End, There Can Be Only One

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corbanite
02.13.2012 , 10:46 AM | #619
Quote: Originally Posted by PjPablo View Post
Well you won't be alone as that happens now. Witness the massive thread where people in this 'community' think that behavior is absolutely fine.

You would get away with that once in most groups.
People needing for companions does not happen in any groupsd I am part of currently. It is not right or OK. Players come first.

Our guild raids.. everything we do is to make raiding better. Giving a companion something a player needs is not for team progression and in fact hinders team progression.. We believe in a team game.

But give me cross relam L4D and I'll be as much of an ****** as the rest of them. especially with dual specs means my DPS can queue as tank for no queues..

Better yet with my tank I can charge people credits to go and shorten the queue for them and then quit the group once the group has been sorted.

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ferroz
02.13.2012 , 10:46 AM | #620
Quote: Originally Posted by ImperialSun View Post
The point is context is key.

The question was do we have any actual eivdence that LFD promotes bad behaviour.
He's looking for factual, objective evidence, not anecdotal evidence.

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Your derogatory remark was "Its all anecdotal".
That's not a derogatory remark.

if you think it's derogatory, you need to look up the definition of anecdotal.

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You said that because it makes your own view sound more credible.
And?

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If you were really being balanced your reply would have said both arguements for and against are purely anecdotal therefore no one can be sure...
Which means that there's no objective factual evidence that what you claim is truth. So it's irrational for you to expect other people to accept it as truth, or as a valid counterargument to the lfd tool.